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Topic: Modelling and First Position
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 25/11/2002 21:24:17

Dear John and Carmen,

A couple of years ago I trained with someone who taught elements of NLP at an unconscious level, without explicit conscious explanation. One strategy was to have trainees deep trance identify with him repetitively. I never realised how dangerous it was to do this without a safety net, becoming quite unwell in a way which persisted for quite some time afterwards. It has made me both wary of DTI type experiences and also to become interested in the kinds of strategies and filters that one can set up as safety lines.

There is little of this written about explicitly in NLP, nor in any modelling trainings I have been on, though various extracts from "Whispering" have begun to put together the elements of moving safely and ecologically between clean perceptual positions. I was wondering what more advice you can give to ensure would be modellers can return safely to 1st position leaving behind the model's undesirable elements. You alluded to setting up various filters through conscious/unconscious communication and I would be grateful for any further elucidation you might offer.

My own efforts have revolved around various grounding and centreing exercises also utilising such kinaesthetic variables as the weight of the watch on my wrist, rings on my finger etc. For example, removing these prior to DTI and putting them on again afterwards. Saying my name in a particular way with a particular kinaestheic resonance in my chest. Even "physically" stepping out and leaving myself behind "over there" whilst stepping into 2nd position with a "safety cord" attached! Asking my unconscious to integrate only those things that fit ecologically with my personality and outcomes etc.

I believe that setting up effective personal boundaries is a very important first part of modelling, both as a "before" and an "after", and would appreciate any further specific instructions and strategies you would be prepared to discuss.

With kind regards,


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Modelling and First Position25/11/2002 21:24:17Lewis Walker
     Re:Modelling and First Position26/11/2002 01:33:35Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:Modelling and First Position26/11/2002 21:51:36Lewis Walker
               Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position27/11/2002 00:59:21Michael Carroll
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position27/11/2002 14:53:55Lewis Walker
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position27/11/2002 15:30:42John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position27/11/2002 20:38:36Lewis Walker
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position29/11/2002 17:12:43John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position28/11/2002 11:11:52Robert
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position28/11/2002 14:26:58Lewis Walker
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position28/11/2002 20:04:33Michael Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position07/12/2002 00:06:37Robert
                                   ReeRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position17/12/2002 10:21:23Edward Somalone
                                        Re:ReeRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position19/12/2002 01:10:28Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position20/07/2003 06:55:05Jeff Weakley
          Re:Re:Modelling and First Position02/07/2003 22:18:18Robin
               Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position21/07/2003 20:37:09Michael Carroll
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position21/07/2003 23:21:42Robin
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position22/07/2003 12:24:30Michael Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position24/07/2003 01:07:14Robin
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position26/07/2003 15:56:23Robin
     Re:Modelling and First Position21/07/2003 18:44:22John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Modelling and First Position22/07/2003 00:27:37Sean
               Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position22/07/2003 13:55:01John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position24/07/2003 01:17:04Sean
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position24/07/2003 01:50:13Michael Carroll
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position24/07/2003 01:50:15Michael Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position24/07/2003 14:03:29John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modelling and First Position25/07/2003 02:45:49Sean

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