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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles
Posted by: Mark MacLean
Date/Time: 12/12/2002 18:13:25


You said,

"The SIAM article challenges certain NLP assumptions and seems therefore to be relevant to a discipline which employs hypnotic techniques"

First, the "article" doesn't challange anything, the writer might be, but again, although I would argue that the opinions expressed, and studys cited, have little to do with "Erisonian Hyponosis", NLP pre-suppositions, and, what is useful, my point was that it doesn't relate (IMO-in my opinion) to these discussions. (Again, no specific relevent topic stated ;) )

In repsonse to your example,

""A person's responsiveness to hypnosis also remains fairly consistent regardless of the characteristics of the hypnotist: the practitioner's gender, age and experience have little or no effect on a subject's ability to be hypnotized.""

Fairly consistent? Little or no effect? Which is it? And what's the difference? Carmen and John makes some great arguements about the un/usefulness of statistics in WITW.
If you haven't already, you should give it a read. (sorry I don't have the page number handy, that index sure would be useful right about now, ;) )

Nowhere does the writer mention rapport, pacing, leading, yes sets, complince sets, double binds, metaphors, Eriksonian laguage patterns...etc. None of the basis premises that most NLPeers use as useful intention directing devices, while acheiving amazing percieved results.

You asked,

"As for the Bandler article: Does it not make you think about promises and claims of NLP?"

Does it make "ME" think? really. Does it make "YOU" think?

Besides, NLP does not make "promises and claims", people do. NLP is not the "truth", nor has it ever claimed to be. It's a toolbox of ideas, that some people (and myself personally) have found useful. Anyone, (Richard Bandler included) can use those skills/techniques however they want.

You said,

"Is it not worthwhile at all to apply some critical thinking?"

To what? Claims and promises? (see above) To Possible effects of using NLP? Ask around. I don't think the portrayed experience of Richard Bandler in that article represents the average NLP experience, nor does that line of thinking acknowledge any of the other factors in Richard's life.

I'll make my point again. I think that your post, including these links may, in fact , be "interesting", however, (IMO) they are not relevent to this site, and would probably find a better home, on different NLP discussion board, or news group.

Thanks Robert. I look forward to your continued more relavent posts on this site, but to better spend my time, and set the example for relavence, I will no longer be supporting this thread, (unless it takes a huge turn in a more pertinent direction, (again, see the six topics outlined)).

Take care,


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Articles11/12/2002 08:31:11Robert
     Re:Articles12/12/2002 09:08:01Mark MacLean
          ReReRe:Re:Articles12/12/2002 09:21:05mel
          Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 11:28:30Robert
               ReRe:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 14:26:38mel
                    Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 15:01:27Robert
                         Re:Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 15:45:50mel
                    Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 15:13:18JT Snow
                         Re:Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 16:24:31Robert
               Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 16:23:06Mark MacLean
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 16:44:12Robert
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 17:16:31JTSnow
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 17:35:31cyberpunk
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 18:29:48Cypher
                                   Re:ReReReReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 19:39:33cybergirl
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 20:44:48Mr Pessimist
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 21:02:15JT
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 21:14:44Cypher
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles12/12/2002 18:13:25Mark MacLean
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles13/12/2002 21:34:12Caefu
     Re:Articles13/12/2002 21:43:47John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Articles13/12/2002 23:16:43thepropagandist
               Re:Re:Re:Articles14/12/2002 19:10:42John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles14/12/2002 19:34:03kc
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles15/12/2002 05:04:47Stephen
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles17/07/2003 09:38:06ALƯ
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Articles17/07/2003 12:53:31Jimmy Fallon

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