Thank YOU for helping me integrate two areas of my life I'd to make mutually beneficial. One more note about Ashbery's work, and the work of similar writers: it can often be a frustration to read with ordinary expectations of what reading is to be like.  A lot of people stop there and complain that it isn't "about anything."  From my experience, one has to learn how to read differently, because of the often constantly widening digressions, the discontinuities, semantic and syntactical overload and ambiguity, won't allow for the usual paraphrasing that goes on, I expect, in the back of one's mind. One might say it is all surface structure, or better that the transforms are of a much different nature than ordinary speech, perhaps closer to schizophrenic speech.  Probably what I mean by an ambiguity between content and form. Once one does learn how to read this way, you get a sense you are using your brain differently -- the kinesthetics, as well as visual and auditory sub mods are much different -- with numerous things going on in parallel, like a many layered cloud-cover criss-crossing themselves at different levels.  I think of this state as perhaps a downtime (though not quite) equivalent of what you attempt to produce with new code games, though perhaps more like Huxley's "deep reflection," as it was described in Patterns I. Anyway, I'm trying to design something along these lines.  We'll see. best, JS