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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP
Posted by: Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
Date/Time: 01/01/2003 07:53:46

To John Grinder:

Thanks for your suggestion in your last mail, it brings me closer to epistemological questions I should address in my PhD.
 
The format presented by Carmen Bostic St.Clair and John Grinder in “Whispering in the wind” (p53) may be useful for NLPmodeling, to describe an application pattern, and the same time seem less useful to use on a meta-level, that is to describe an NLP-model such as meta-programs.  Meta-programs are distinctions in the sense meant by Bateson when he is searching for “a difference that makes a difference” According to Bateson such difference is an idea, “a unit of information”, not a pattern in the sense mean in NLPapplication (his article entitled “Double Bind, to be found in “Steps to an Ecology of Mind”, p 272). 
Hence my question formulated in my first mail, namely on “Can you elaborate on why meta-programs wouldn't be part of NLP?” has to be understood on that level.  This leads me to reformulate my first question: “Which distinctions are recommended for an NLP practitioner when writing down the description of the NLPapplication patterns in the “Presentation of Patterning” format proposed by Carmen & John? 
My answer is that to me the 4-tuple notation proposed in ”NLP Volume I” would still be an  acceptable description, where for me writing down the meta-programs would allow another description.  I do not feel it’s useful to write down an example of that in this mail, since discussing a pattern of NLPapplication is another level discussion than the discussion of which distinctions to use to write down a pattern.  For those that want an example, I’ve posted a second reply to John’s question.

Apart from wanting to hear your point of view on whether according to you meta-programs can be considered a useful set of distinctions to the same degree as the 4-tuple notation (my first question), chunking down the second question I had was: “How did the NLP developers active between 1977 and 1981 in Santa Cruz come up with these meta-program patterns?  How did they structure them at the time?  Were they part of the first master practitioner program around 1978?  If so, how did they teach them? Where some inclined to see meta-programs as a NLP building block comparable to the 4-tuple? If so, what notation were they using?”

Patrick Merlevede


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
are 30/12/2002 09:20:02Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
     Re:are 30/12/2002 16:59:58Jolhn Grinder
          Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP30/12/2002 21:17:39Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
               Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP31/12/2002 17:41:47John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP01/01/2003 07:53:46Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP01/01/2003 07:53:54Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                         :are 01/01/2003 20:57:06metro
                              Re::are 01/01/2003 22:09:06Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
               Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 04:17:06John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 06:20:32Guilherme
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 07:37:09John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 08:56:51Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 08:35:17Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 00:19:36Michael Carroll
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 07:57:18Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 10:38:26Ron
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 18:47:08Michael Carroll
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP07/01/2003 05:47:58Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP08/01/2003 20:23:05Robert
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP16/01/2003 00:03:19Michael Carroll
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP31/01/2003 19:19:40Robert
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP01/02/2003 03:30:33John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 17:58:13nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 19:22:44Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP07/01/2003 00:54:12nj
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP07/01/2003 05:31:18Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP07/01/2003 20:39:13nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP15/01/2003 19:54:30Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                                       topic:are metaprograms part of NLP, to: Mr. Merlevede. Subject: Modeling27/01/2003 21:40:41nj
                                                            Re:topic:are metaprograms part of NLP, to: Mr. Merlevede. Subject: Modeling01/02/2003 06:47:32Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                                                 Re:Re:topic:are metaprograms part of NLP, to: Mr. Merlevede. Subject: Modeling09/02/2003 09:21:59nj
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:topic:are metaprograms part of NLP, to: Mr. Merlevede. Subject: Modeling09/02/2003 12:48:51Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:topic:are metaprograms part of NLP, to: Mr. Merlevede. Subject: Modeling09/02/2003 21:22:05nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 09:33:51Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 10:23:56Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 11:07:23metro
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 20:43:05Jim R
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 22:16:21Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 03:24:10Harlan Kilstein
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP03/01/2003 17:42:32Jim R
                    Are metaprograms part of NLP?08/01/2003 04:50:54thepropagandist
                         Re:Are metaprograms part of NLP?08/01/2003 21:34:05Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)
                              Re:Re:Are metaprograms part of NLP?08/01/2003 23:42:01thepropagandist
               Re:Re:Re:are metaprograms part of NLP02/01/2003 15:07:09Lewis Walker

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