Larry - John Grinder here: welcome to the website. Have you looked at pages 77 - 92 in Whispering where Carmen and I develop an extended argument about which models of analysis are appropriate for the patterning that characterizes NLP? I am having some difficulty responding to the juxtaposition of "Differences that make a difference" and the notion of quantitizing. Perhaps you could identify what it is that you want to quantitize and with what intention in mind. John