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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 01/07/2002 18:17:40


We are almost there (that is, up to the next step) now.

Agreed, stale cake is horrible and what a waste!

I can confirm in my personal experience that strange and wonderful point where my hands are possessed and I am simply amazed by what they are doing and haven't a clue where they are going next. Like you, my biggest difficulty was to keep from cracking up laughing so as not to interrupt their playing. Interesting form of disassociation and only one of many strategy for playing.

You write,

"As for modelling distant or dead people - I think I see the issue: Loss of cybernetic loop and therefore loss of context within which the stimulus and/or response occur. Modelling in a vacuum. However, do you refer to video/audio in an external or internal perspective. ...that is can you effectively model from previous experience and connection with someone or is it more appropriate that they are "live" and in front of you at the time?"

I think that I did not commicate my point adequately - the real barrier to modeling people who you have never seen preforming in context is the absence of context and in particular, that portion of context which offers you access to the responses that the model is eliciting in his or her audience, group, individual. This portion of context is crucial (given our definition of NLP modeling in Whispering) as it is the only way to effectively imitate your model and know whether you are closing on replicating their performance. The alternative would be some complex computation involving consciousness which is absolutely antithetical to the process of modeling without f2 filters.

Finally, you write,

"So, as for DTI, how can the motion between between where you currently are and where you want to be effectively utilised for deep change work?"

Life is deep trance - act now!


Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Deep Trance Identification19/05/2002 09:16:29Stephen M. Hawley
     Re:Deep Trance Identification19/05/2002 17:28:34John Grinder and Carmen Bostic
          Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification11/06/2002 14:02:13Clive Alcock
               Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification11/06/2002 17:38:08John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification24/06/2002 13:23:53Clive Alcock
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification30/06/2002 18:31:00John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification01/07/2002 11:25:12Clive
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification01/07/2002 18:17:40John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Deep Trance Identification11/07/2002 01:48:49Clive Alcock

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