Yah, Some quotes to think about: "Magic is the highest, most absolute, and most Divine Knowledge of Natural Philosophy, advanced in its works and wonderful operations by a right understanding of the inward and occult virtue of things;  so that true Agents being applied to proper Patients, strange and admirable effects will thereby be produced.  Whence magicians are profound and diligent searchers into Nature; they, because of their skill, know how to anticipate an effect, the which to the vulgar shall seem to be a miracle" The Goetia of the Lemegeton of King Solomon "Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear like magic to the uninitiated" Arthur C Clarke "Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." Aleister Crowley in Magick in Theory and Practise "Down through the ages the power and wonder of practitioners of magic have been recorded in song and story.  The presence of wizards, witches, sorcerers, shamen and gurus has always been intriguing and awe inspiring to the average person.  These people of power, wrapped in a cloak of secrecy, presented a striking contradiction to the common ways of dealing with the world.  The spells and incantations they wove were feared beyond belief and  at the same time, sought constantly for the help they could provide." Richard Bandler and John Grinder in the preface to "The Structure of Magic" "The secrets of magic are universal and of such a practical physical nature as to defy simple explanation.  Those beings who realize and practise such secrets are said to have acheived mastership. Masters will at various points in history, inspire adepts to create magic, mystic, religious, or even secular orders to bring others to mastership.  Such orders have at certain times openly called themselves the Illuminate; at other times secrecy has seemed more prudent." Peter J Carroll in Liber Null "When we consider the effect that is even now produced on the minds of an enlightened audience by a skilful manipulator, the wonderment of people who were but half civilised, and who were taught to believe in spirits is scarcely a matter for suprise.  Although superstition has not died our- if indeed it ever will die out- there are now very few people who attribute the successes of a conjuror to any other agency than that of his own skill." Edwards Sachs in Sleight of Hand: A practical manual of legerdemain. If you have a solid grounding in NLP then the best introduction to the field of magic is Peter J Carroll's "Liber Null" (available in a double addition with "psychonaut" ISBN 0-87728-639-6-BJ).  His presentation of Chaos majick strips away the symbol systems of specific magical traditions to reveal the common processes underlying. If you have a grounding in New Code NLP then you will be interested in the connection between "establishing an involuntary signal system with your unconscious" and attaining "knowledge and conversation of your Holy Guardian Angel." Beware the daemon Chorozon!! Best wishes Robin Manuell www.ideasinmotion.co.uk