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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP
Posted by: Renee Levant
Date/Time: 31/07/2003 00:19:26

Hi JS

You suggest:

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I am very interested to see how others here respond to this claim. In discussingthis issue with Judith De Lozier at one time ..she suggested to me that NLP's epistemology was not so much a theory,..as a "Meta- theory"  (or at least that is how I interpreted her response...My question to her was "So what are the "edges" of NLP's theory"..)
What I took away from my discussions was a notion that as a meta-theory NLP was not subject to the sort of limitations other models, maps and theories were since it involved a reflection on reflection open always to addition modification and growth.

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I very much agree it is a great point

The question raised by this is just what constitutes a change of NLP into "something else"..
Certainly the change from the original NLP to the New Code involved some VERY significant changes of epistemology.  I would suggest that those who hold the "systemic " view such as NLPU (Dilts etc) certainly have a different epistemology than most others teaching NLP. ..and I suspect DHE of Bandler  (though here I have little experience as his approach does not appeal to me) wouldbe underlined by yet another approach.

Personally I don't much care if in the end what I do and develop ends up characterized as NLP or something new ..so long as it does something good in the world. At the same time I am not convinced that NLP's effectiveness is based on its particular context and epistemology.  I'd suggest rather that the pre-suppositions may fit a number of comparable epistemologies capable of framing very effective modeling of excellence and appraoches to change.

And that loosening the dominance of a single epistomological basis would open NLP and different developers to more harmonious and productive relations with one another since the commonality would no longer be that of a common epistemology...but of a practical stance toward any epistemology recognizing that each is a map of the world or subjective experience with its own stengths and limits.... Yet in sharing the pre-suppostions, the value of respect and ecology of change we would be part of the "same" field.

thoughts?

Renee


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:06:50Renee Levant
     Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:13:28Renee Levant
          Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:28:30Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:53:33John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:04:25Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 16:55:31John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:39:09Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:39:51John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:19:26Renee Levant
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:05:23John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:19:01Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:42:54doug
                         Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:26:29Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:42:09Renee Levant
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:45:20doug
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:39:52doug
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 06:44:35Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 14:47:16doug
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:37:56Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:56:05J Rose
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:13:44Martin Messier
                              This Conversation :)31/07/2003 03:47:28Renee Levant
                                   Re:This Conversation :)31/07/2003 06:06:51Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:49:36John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:08:36Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 15:13:29John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 20:32:31Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 21:36:40John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:10:24Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:09John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:55:08Renee Levant
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:35Robert Ballentine
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:19:42Golf Swing Modeler
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:50:15John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:31:47Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 10:47:21Robet Ballentine
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 19:30:07Ryan Nagy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 20:18:00Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 03:42:40T
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 03:48:50Thomas
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 09:57:14John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 16:42:33Golf Swing Modeler
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 18:28:40doug
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP03/08/2003 12:59:23John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:23:43Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP12/08/2003 10:28:05Sean
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 18:54:16John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 19:17:51John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:51:27John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP11/08/2003 06:45:30Mark MacLean
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP15/08/2003 03:03:58Pete West

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