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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP
Posted by: doug
Date/Time: 31/07/2003 02:39:52

Of course linear thinking has a useful context. What surprises me is how fashionable it has become in the NLP community to talk about linear as if it is less than or 'worse' than some other type of thinking.  Yes, when linear thinking is applied to contexts in which it provides too narrow a scope, we should, hopefully, have the tools to switch to a more appropriate type of thinking; that is the gift of such thinkers as Bateson and Grinder- they have mapped out various territories (and maps)which benefit from being engaged with systemic or non-linear thinking. 

Take submodalities; they function in both linear and non-linear contexts.  We shouldn't be embarrassed to take note that changing a simple submodality can have a profound effect.  And when we observe such a linear sequence, it is just fine to use language that represents it as such.  In fact, if you wish, I can point out numerous instances in "Whisperings" in which the authors use linear language in just such contexts.  Thank God they aren't limited to such language, recognizing the framworks within which such language works. 

Clearly NLPa is full of "whys"; I doubt anybody would argue against this.  As I read it, NLPm includes "whys" in certain aspects of its articulation, but explicitly excludes 'whys' in other aspects.  No time for details, but would be happy if you wish.

Ryan, I don't think you intended it as such, but I take it as a compliment that you are clear when I am speaking linearly. I only wish that many in the NLP community would feel more comfortable admitting when they do too.  Hey, linearity is nothing to be ashamed of, right? Now let me go to bed SO THAT I can get some sleep.

Dougt


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:06:50Renee Levant
     Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:13:28Renee Levant
          Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:28:30Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:53:33John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:04:25Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 16:55:31John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:39:09Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:39:51John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:19:26Renee Levant
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:05:23John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:19:01Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:42:54doug
                         Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:26:29Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:42:09Renee Levant
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:45:20doug
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:39:52doug
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 06:44:35Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 14:47:16doug
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:37:56Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:56:05J Rose
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:13:44Martin Messier
                              This Conversation :)31/07/2003 03:47:28Renee Levant
                                   Re:This Conversation :)31/07/2003 06:06:51Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:49:36John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:08:36Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 15:13:29John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 20:32:31Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 21:36:40John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:10:24Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:09John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:55:08Renee Levant
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:35Robert Ballentine
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:19:42Golf Swing Modeler
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:50:15John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:31:47Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 10:47:21Robet Ballentine
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 19:30:07Ryan Nagy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 20:18:00Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 03:42:40T
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 03:48:50Thomas
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 09:57:14John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 16:42:33Golf Swing Modeler
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 18:28:40doug
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP03/08/2003 12:59:23John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:23:43Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP12/08/2003 10:28:05Sean
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 18:54:16John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 19:17:51John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:51:27John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP11/08/2003 06:45:30Mark MacLean
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP15/08/2003 03:03:58Pete West

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