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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 31/07/2003 21:36:40

Ryan,
You're right, thinking is not always in words.  I should have said "the way you link them *formally* and *explicitly* is based on presuppositions in language," meaning that what you explicate and the way you make explicit models is based on presuppositions you may be unaware you have in language.  That is always the case.  New language creates ways of undermining the effect of a specific language model, giving you another pp, but even a statement like "If you have not learned yet to disconnect your thinking from your acting you are severely limiting your ability to take effective action in the world" is a judgment through and by language par excellence.  Also, it has been posited that language centers in the brain feed forward to the nerve structures supporting sensory organs, formatting expectation (filtering) even on what we have been calling FA (that's only if you want to get scientific, which is not my favorite domain).  FA, as well as all behavior, is *trained* by language, not language alone, but in part, systemically.  There is no acting without thinking, since acting is a form of thinking, just as thinking is a form of acting, whether it is conscious or not.

At the same time, the idea of a know-nothing state, though it is something discerned by a thinker/speaker, is a useful fiction, and can be very useful to create for oneself.

best,
JS


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:06:50Renee Levant
     Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:13:28Renee Levant
          Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:28:30Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:53:33John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:04:25Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 16:55:31John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:39:09Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:39:51John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:19:26Renee Levant
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:05:23John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:19:01Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:42:54doug
                         Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:26:29Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:42:09Renee Levant
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:45:20doug
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:39:52doug
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 06:44:35Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 14:47:16doug
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:37:56Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:56:05J Rose
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:13:44Martin Messier
                              This Conversation :)31/07/2003 03:47:28Renee Levant
                                   Re:This Conversation :)31/07/2003 06:06:51Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:49:36John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:08:36Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 15:13:29John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 20:32:31Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 21:36:40John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:10:24Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:09John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:55:08Renee Levant
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:35Robert Ballentine
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:19:42Golf Swing Modeler
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:50:15John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:31:47Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 10:47:21Robet Ballentine
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 19:30:07Ryan Nagy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 20:18:00Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 03:42:40T
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 03:48:50Thomas
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 09:57:14John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 16:42:33Golf Swing Modeler
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 18:28:40doug
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP03/08/2003 12:59:23John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:23:43Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP12/08/2003 10:28:05Sean
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 18:54:16John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 19:17:51John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:51:27John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP11/08/2003 06:45:30Mark MacLean
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP15/08/2003 03:03:58Pete West

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