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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP
Posted by: doug
Date/Time: 02/08/2003 18:28:40

Nice hearing from you Doc,

It seems to be almost impossible to avoid using cause-effect language even when you know that you are talking about systems that can't be reduced to cause-effect.  I actually don't have a problem with this difficulty because I think it is tied into the nature of language to a great extent- Just like how we are forced to describe many complicated experience that happen in one gestalt with words that happen one after the other- talking about it breaks it apart (which is often so useful).  In your book when you and Mrs. St. Clair speak in cause-effect language about representations and their relationship to behavior, I'm assuming it is for the same reason, but perhaps I shouldn't assume suchly. 

Just like reading "Mind and Nature"; Bateson so often resorts to cause-effect language even though he is explicitly making the point that mind can not be usefully viewed through such a filter. 

Doug


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Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:06:50Renee Levant
     Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 18:13:28Renee Levant
          Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:28:30Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 20:53:33John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:04:25Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 16:55:31John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:39:09Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:39:51John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:19:26Renee Levant
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 18:05:23John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:19:01Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:42:54doug
                         Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:26:29Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:42:09Renee Levant
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:45:20doug
                              Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:39:52doug
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 06:44:35Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 14:47:16doug
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 00:37:56Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:56:05J Rose
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 02:13:44Martin Messier
                              This Conversation :)31/07/2003 03:47:28Renee Levant
                                   Re:This Conversation :)31/07/2003 06:06:51Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 21:49:36John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 22:08:36Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 15:13:29John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 20:32:31Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 21:36:40John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:10:24Renee Levant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:09John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP30/07/2003 23:55:08Renee Levant
                    Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 17:07:35Robert Ballentine
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:19:42Golf Swing Modeler
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 19:50:15John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP31/07/2003 22:31:47Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 10:47:21Robet Ballentine
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 19:30:07Ryan Nagy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 20:18:00Jon Edwards
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP01/08/2003 03:42:40T
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 03:48:50Thomas
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 09:57:14John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 16:42:33Golf Swing Modeler
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP02/08/2003 18:28:40doug
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP03/08/2003 12:59:23John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:23:43Golf Swing Modeler
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP12/08/2003 10:28:05Sean
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 18:54:16John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 19:17:51John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP04/08/2003 20:51:27John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP11/08/2003 06:45:30Mark MacLean
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continued :Habermas and NLP15/08/2003 03:03:58Pete West

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