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Topic: Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns
Posted by: kc
Date/Time: 06/08/2002 07:40:23

In Response to
to John Grinder

as always I appreciate your insights and integrity. And thank you for now stimulating more thoughts on Modeling new patterns here as after reading your thread let me quote Gregory Bateson below:

"The concept of redundancy is usually derived as I have derived it, by first considering the maximum of information which may be carried by the given item and then considering how this total  might be reduced by the surrounding patterns of which the given items is a component part....."(page 406 Steps to an Ecology of Mind)

Gregory then goes on to add"....when an observer perceives only parts of a sequence or configuration of phenomena, he is in many cases able to guess , with better than random success, at the parts which he cannot immediately perceive(guessing that a tree will have roots for example)  It is indeed a principle goal of the scientist to elucidate there redundencies or patternings of the phenomenal world. (pg.414)

So to answer your question John previously on  how I would go about mapping from the visual and auditory representations to an explicit model John my answer naturally would be the fact that my new findings usually always do pop up as I
observe the source and as I allow those distinct patterns and redundancies to appear and then accept what is being offered to me consciously and then look for more variations that make a difference in  performance, map and chart out those differences, test, retest and then use my strategy again one more time and then simplify my process again and then simply move on to another modeling project upon completion.
Full stop!

Also alot simpler and quicker John than going to meta meta meta meta and continue to evaluate more things on a different level back and forth when not needed if you know what I mean !

Thanks John 


Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Modeling new patterns03/08/2002 05:54:57Jim Fishno
     Re:Modeling new patterns03/08/2002 18:54:42John Grinder and Carmen Bostic
          Re:Re:Modeling new patterns04/08/2002 05:13:06Jim Fishno
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling new patterns04/08/2002 16:42:56Carmen Bostic and John Grinder
          Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns04/08/2002 09:47:38kc
               Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns05/08/2002 03:47:37John Grinder and Carmen Bostic
                    Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns06/08/2002 07:40:23kc
                         Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns07/08/2002 19:09:12John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns08/08/2002 01:51:57J Rose
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns10/08/2002 16:00:26kc
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns10/08/2002 21:53:56J Rose
                              ReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns10/08/2002 04:18:18kc
                    Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns10/08/2002 10:26:08Bruce
                         Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Modeling new patterns15/08/2002 18:18:54John Grinder and Carmen Bostic

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