You didn't use the words, "You are stupid" but isn't communication the response you elicit?  Oh no, I bet  in your books you meant that communication is the response that I elicit, not you, John Grinder.  Holy  crap, you wrote those books for me, didn't you. Of course, I'm kindding and I know you didn't call me stupid.  Breath taken, and I'll get back to you with a more carefully constructed question. Andrea