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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels
Posted by: Tammy Goldman
Date/Time: 14/10/2003 13:24:15

J Rose,

Thanks for that post.  It helped me get some things straight about all this logical level, logical type talk going on around here.

I really like how grinder and st. claire go over it in their book. Really, their distinctions make a big difference for me.  And while I understand how they apply THEIR critisim to Robert Dilt's model, i don't quite think it fair, considering some of the points you made.  If Robert chose to adopt their tidier articulation, he would have to change his language quite a bit, but I don't see why he would need to when his justifications for using the words he does also make sense (even though they have elements of what you call 'muddledness').

Also, and you can email me at the above address to respond to this, but my neighbors step-son, Mark (22 years old) has always been a very eccentric boy. Some people have thought him autistic or aspergers, but he really doesn't meet nearly enough of the DSM IV's criteria for either condition; he's always been very quite, yet with a wisdom that goes well beyond his years.  About 2 weeks ago Mark told his step-dad, Ron, that he could 'see meaningful images' and that it just really started happening this year.  He is now demonstrating to Ron what he means by this and it is dumbfounding.  Mostly he is picking up profound information about people who he hardly knows or doesn't know at all, but sometimes it's even funny. Like the other day when Ron got home from work, Mark said, with a smile "You shouldn't have had the green salsa, huh?" Ron couldn't believe it because his stomache was killing him because he had accidently ordered a burrito and forgot to nix the green stuff, which hadn't happened in a long time.  that's a silly example, but I don't have the time to go into what is developing on a more serious note.  So, we are looking for multiple descriptions of psychic experiences and I would like to add you to our list of map makers, if you would be so kind.  The way in which you relate this type of phenomena to logical typing and levels would be facinating for me to read and, perhaps, helpful to Ron; but let me stress, Ron is doing fine. In fact, he told Mark recently that he was pretty sure he knew why this was beginning to happen and what he was suppose to do about it. So I ask out of curiosity and an interest in gaining multiple perceptual positions on the subject. I already have and know all the sets of descriptions that would see Ron as doing 'cold readings' or that every time he get exact images on a new person it is just selective attention that accounts for the impeccable congruence between his image and the actual events of the person's life.  Those descriptions are utterly useless in this context (I mean, how many people grew up trying to get milk out of their Grandpa's broken hammer set!); maybe if he starts trying to make money off of this and get very vauge...but...

Anyway, I think your epistemological distinctions and applications of NLP in this context might be helpful for me and, maybe, Ron. 



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
heads up/logical levels02/10/2003 18:32:39J Rose
     Re:heads up/logical levels02/10/2003 22:07:18Debby
          Re:Re:heads up/logical levels03/10/2003 15:34:58John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels03/10/2003 20:01:42J Rose
     Re:heads up/logical levels05/10/2003 14:02:28Brian Stumford
          Re:Re:heads up/logical levels05/10/2003 17:09:37Ryan N
               Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels05/10/2003 21:44:47Brian
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels05/10/2003 23:50:15Ryan N
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels08/10/2003 04:00:25Todd Sloane
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels08/10/2003 19:41:25Brian
                         Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels11/10/2003 05:17:55Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels11/10/2003 15:28:31Brian
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels13/10/2003 05:04:12J Rose
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels13/10/2003 11:31:05Charlie Conklin
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels13/10/2003 15:00:46J Rose
                                   this and GRINDER14/10/2003 02:06:30Sarah
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels14/10/2003 13:24:15Tammy Goldman
                                   Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels14/10/2003 23:07:55Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels15/10/2003 00:50:36J Rose
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels15/10/2003 16:58:43John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels17/10/2003 03:38:09J Rose
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels17/10/2003 13:10:43Tony S
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels17/10/2003 13:13:46Cook
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 03:20:31Todd Sloane
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 23:14:38J Rose
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels17/10/2003 15:20:59Brian Stumford
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels17/10/2003 18:41:39John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels15/10/2003 16:51:26Stephen
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 02:23:22Todd Sloane
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 12:50:02Brian
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 16:13:57Jon Edwards
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 16:39:20Brian
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels18/10/2003 16:43:20brian
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels19/10/2003 03:25:57Todd
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels19/10/2003 03:42:32Brian
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels19/10/2003 15:15:26Jon Edwards
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels20/10/2003 02:55:49Todd Sloane
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:heads up/logical levels20/10/2003 03:12:21Todd

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