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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations
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Date/Time: 20/10/2003 21:57:57

together we laugh in each other's arms. A misunderstanding or Romantic proportions, isn't it? How delightfully funny and emotionally enriching!! Thank you, Jim, thank you so much for allowing our relationship this space. You are truly a very special man, indeed.

Jim said: "I remember when I took my first Practitioner training and I asked my trainer a question like yours. I don't remember his exact reply but the meaning was that I should go for feedback from someone and find out for myself rather than than take his answer as some kind of "truth" about the matter. I've always remembered that."

so this is one suggestion, which I'm sure GSM had taken into account. In fact, I would guess that his questions are actually generated from his experience.  So, your suggestion that he go back to the field might or might not address the meat of his question. But nice nonetheless.

then you said: "since we ALL unconsciously distort, generalize, and delete our experience, its that VERY PROCESS  that causes "meta model violations".

also nice, yet leaning towards tautology.  However, if GSM was unaware of the presuppostion that meta-model patterns are the result of an unavoidable set of filters then perhaps it was helpful to point out the obvious.

But then GSM simply said, in response to your suggestion, that he was interested in finding out more specifics about the subject- a very natural response, I would think. 

in reply you asked, "how do you know there is more explicit info?"  I wonder if this was the kind of question Bandler and Grinder asked themselves when they were feeling utterly fascinated by Milton or Virgina? I guess if you are really asking something like, "What else are you curious about...?" Anyway, it struck me as a strange question with the hint of arrogance attached (that was your communication to me).

But then you threw out a beautiful Zen Koan with

" the metal modal makes it EXPLICIT."

We should set up an entirely new website for that one.  It struck me as funny that you would say something like this while trying to get somebody else to pose their questions more specifically.

I amazed that language is such a closed system of thought for you, Jim. When you say, "assumes that you think there more to the process of meta model violation creation than what ocurrs via/ distortion, generalization and deletion." You almost sound like you're saying that there is no more to be curious about in regards to the role that generalization, deletion and distortion play in generating meta-model violation.




let's just continue our new found embrace and melt away from this awfully meta place, dear.

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Meta-model violations16/10/2003 15:13:06GSM
     Re:Meta-model violations16/10/2003 18:26:56John Grinder
          Re:Re:Meta-model violations16/10/2003 19:05:53GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations16/10/2003 21:24:45nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 10:02:27nj
               Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations16/10/2003 21:25:42Jim R
               Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 00:15:04John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 02:13:07Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 11:20:39GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 21:44:14nj
               Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 22:19:37Jim R
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations17/10/2003 23:35:14GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations18/10/2003 00:04:04Ryan Nagy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations18/10/2003 08:15:21GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 01:31:06Jim R
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 03:45:04.
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 07:45:12Jim R
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 10:06:35GSM
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 10:07:29GSM
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 01:12:26Jim R
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 12:03:53GSM
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 14:35:27Jim R
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 15:06:18GSM
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 17:19:52Jim R
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 17:31:00GSM
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 17:03:21.
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 21:31:26Jim R
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 21:57:57.
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 23:44:17nj
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations20/10/2003 23:57:59GSM
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations21/10/2003 01:50:12nj
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Meta-model violations19/10/2003 22:46:34.

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