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Topic: Re:andrea's new book and WITW
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 26/10/2003 19:00:02

Hi Carrie,

Steve Andreas' model of self-concept is a submodalities based description of an "entity" which WITW would say is an F2 phenomenon. Rather than being modelled as per WITW modelling criteria, it is an anlalytical model, using already explicated NLP tools in the modelling process. Furthermore, Steve uses direct submodality mapping processes to facilitate change....this is working with content as defined in WITW...and thus viewed as an unethical intervention by the therapist.

For my part, having read the book and trained with Steve in his 3 day seminar about the model and how to use it I would say it is one of the most useful things to come out of NLP. I have used many elements of it to help my patients make worthwhile (as defined by them) changes. Steve is always very attentive to ecology and uses feedback from "objecting parts" to enhance the outcome based on +ve intention as per the 6 step reframe model.

In many senses, working with submodalities is one level above the presented content....and usually out of conscious awareness. WITW would say that smd changes should come as a result of the intervention and not as a direct manipulation of them. Personally  I have found ecological change to occur in both circumstances.



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
andrea's new book and WITW23/10/2003 05:01:58carrie
     Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 05:04:52Terry
     Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 19:00:02Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 19:52:51Jon Edwards
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 20:47:28Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 13:11:46Jon Edwards
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 22:26:42Robert
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW26/10/2003 23:26:11Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 07:09:47Robert
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 11:28:18Pete West
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 08:29:19nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW01/11/2003 22:00:10Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 00:55:05carrie
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 01:50:22Todd
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 14:27:19Lewis Walker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 01:57:43Todd
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 11:43:56Jon Edwards
     Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 13:37:53Derrin
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 19:08:18nj
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 19:46:31asdf
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 22:44:58nj
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 23:10:56tom
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 06:28:47nj
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 08:31:53nj
          Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW27/10/2003 23:52:04John Rocher
               Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 02:17:32derrin
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 13:05:29Darlene
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 13:35:28derrin
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 20:18:37Stacy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW28/10/2003 23:50:34Darlene
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 00:05:52darrin
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 02:10:22Garry Brenner
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 02:13:09Guilherme Pimentel
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:andrea's new book and WITW29/10/2003 02:17:14matt ross
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