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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!
Posted by: Pete West
Date/Time: 03/12/2003 13:33:18

Hello

I agree that the boundaries that distinguish the set of f1 transforms from the set of f2 transforms  seem a bit fuzzy in certain areas.  I don’t recall reading anything from the authors of WITW which suggested to me that the boundaries between these two sets of filters are always clearly delineated.  To propose that the f1/f2 distinction is anything other than fuzzy and analogical/continuous (rather than binary/digital) could be argued to be an extension of a dualistic position regarding the mind-body problem (by a far more skillful logician than myself).  Given that the set of f1 transforms are partitioned by the categories/f2 filters: physical processes, somatic processes, unconscious processes or, more generally, things that the body does; the set of f2 transforms might then be partitioned into: mental processes, cognitive processes, conscious processes or, more generally, things that the mind does.  The f1/f2 distinction could then be argued to be an extension of an interactionist-dualist view of the mind-body problem, where a mind-body split is presupposed.  The mind (the set f2) affects the body (the set f1) and the body affects the mind. 

Considering the author’s position on the mind-body problem, their model of the universal modeling process (the f1/f2/FA model) is likely far more materialistic in nature than dualistic in relation to the mind-body problem.  The dual-attribute branch of the materialistic view of the mind-body problem is that brain processes have both  physical (the set f1) and abstract  (the set f2) properties.  Both cognitive and physical processes take place in the nervous system.  Each  FA has (to some degree) properties of  both f1 transformed experience and f2 transformed experience.   I don’t believe that we can proceed from a tabula rosa. 

As with any model, the WITW model (f1/f2/FA) raises more questions than it answers.  It is still a useful representation of the universal human modeling process in my experience.  I am at a loss to find a more epistemologically sound, working representation of the map-making process.  Can you offer an alternative?

-Pete

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Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 16:47:53GSM
     Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 18:52:44John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 20:53:18GSM
               Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 21:00:58John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 21:19:48GSM
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 21:59:53John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 22:33:48GSM
                                   Whoops!21/11/2003 01:42:05GSM
                                        Re:Whoops!21/11/2003 16:55:17John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Whoops!21/11/2003 19:24:15GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Whoops!21/11/2003 19:49:22John Schertzer
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!21/11/2003 21:30:05John Schertzer
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!21/11/2003 23:34:12GSM
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!24/11/2003 15:55:11John Schertzer
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                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!25/11/2003 15:27:02John Schertzer
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                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!25/11/2003 18:56:32John Schertzer
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!25/11/2003 21:46:57nj
                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!25/11/2003 21:58:05John Schertzer
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                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!01/12/2003 17:01:58John Schertzer
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                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!02/12/2003 18:09:46John Schertzer
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                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!02/12/2003 21:27:37John Schertzer
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                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 14:17:31John Schertzer
                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 15:27:57GSM
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 17:55:56John Schertzer
                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 19:27:34GSM
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                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 23:01:00GSM
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                                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 14:49:02GSM
                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 02:39:11Pete West
                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 09:37:19GSM
                                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 10:02:20Pete West
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 14:37:13John Schertzer
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 13:33:18Pete West
                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!03/12/2003 14:21:11John Schertzer
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!04/12/2003 10:38:03Pete West
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          Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms20/11/2003 20:55:04Lewis Walker
               Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms21/11/2003 02:23:09Dr Waterson
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms21/11/2003 08:08:00JPG
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms21/11/2003 09:40:36Robert Ballentine
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                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms22/11/2003 00:57:28Pete West
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms22/11/2003 04:32:53nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hall's Meta-States, Andreas' Summary Reps and f2 transforms23/11/2003 14:22:26Mark Johnson
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