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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whoops!
Posted by: Pete West
Date/Time: 04/12/2003 10:38:03

Hello GSM,

In a reply to JS, you wrote

"With *punctuation* are you refering to pausing?  Or is it not possible to withhold the 'language' making process from creating preconceptions of sensory-based experience?  So what do you mean here?"

Perhaps the following material will be a worthwhile and interesting read to you.

"There is a joke, known to most psychology students, in which a laboratory rat says of its experimenter, 'I have trained that man so that every time I press this lever, he gives me food.' Obviously the rat sees the S-R (stimulus-response) sequence quite differently than the experimenter does.  To the experimenter, the rat's pressing the lever is a conditioned reaction to a preceding stimulus admininstered by him, while to the rat, the pressing of the lever is its stimulus administered to the experimenter.  To the human, the food is a reward; to the rat, a reaction.  In other words, the two punctuate the communicational sequence differently." (p.61)

"The Gestalt psychologists showed as early as the 1920s that this ordering is embedded in the deepest layers of our perceptions' neurophysiology, and its effect can be followed from there up to the highest levels of human fuctioning to, for example, creative activities and humor, as in the joke where a man arrives in heaven and finds an old friend sitting there with a luscious young woman on his lap.  'Heaven indeed,' says the newcomer, 'is she your reward?' 'No,' replies the old man sadly, 'I am her punishment.'  Clearly this is a matter of punctuation!" (p.62)

Watzlawick, Paul. (1976).  "How Real is Real? Confusion, Disinformation, Communication.  An anecdotal introduction to communications theory"

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