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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings
Posted by: Martin Messier
Date/Time: 19/12/2003 14:26:26

Hi Todd,

You provided two key pieces to bridging our gap in your reply. Thanks!

You wrote: "If I am understanding the discussion, we are talking about cause effect as principle or law. It would go something like, when X happens then Y."

This is the question we should have asked from the beginning because the answer clears the confusion. You rule! The way I understand cause and effect is as follows: X happens, then Y happens. It may occur that WHEN X happens, Y will always happen, but not necessarily. Cause and effect could also include: A, B, and C happen and then D happens.

You also wrote: "Also could you elaborate a bit on the distinction you make between c-e and c-e thinking?"

As to c-e, I hope I gave a sufficient description. As to c-e thinking, I think you summed it up well with "when X happens, Y happens," which is a generalization and can be disputable in highly complex systems.

What do you think?

Martin


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Cause and effect and living beings06/12/2003 04:40:00Martin Messier
     Re:Cause and effect and living beings06/12/2003 14:20:09Stephen Bray
          Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings06/12/2003 20:59:24John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 15:44:13Martin Messier
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 16:15:32Martin Messier
     Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 00:38:09Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 09:10:05Lewis Walker
          Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 16:06:40Martin Messier
               Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 17:34:23Stephen Bray
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 18:03:41Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings08/12/2003 09:51:47Stephen Bray
               Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 20:06:19Tom B
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings07/12/2003 22:19:32Mark MacLean
               Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings10/12/2003 04:18:33Todd
                    Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch10/12/2003 07:41:12Stephen Bray
                         Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch10/12/2003 10:57:18Lewis Walker
                              Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch10/12/2003 20:05:45Stephen Bray
                                   Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch13/12/2003 02:13:30Todd
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch15/12/2003 09:17:26Stephen Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch15/12/2003 23:49:37Ryan Nagy
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings ~ Bateson's Lunch16/12/2003 04:48:01Todd
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings18/12/2003 18:21:39Martin Messier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings18/12/2003 19:43:38Stephen Bray
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 14:14:20Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 15:27:35Anthony
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings21/12/2003 17:34:49Stephen Bray
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 00:45:59nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 05:16:26Todd
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 14:26:26Martin Messier
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 18:27:54John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 21:37:37storkfallen
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings20/12/2003 10:13:22nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings19/12/2003 23:32:59Pete West
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings20/12/2003 02:09:30Anthony
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings20/12/2003 03:16:30Pete West
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings20/12/2003 03:23:20Anthony
          Re:Re:Cause and effect and living beings13/12/2003 23:45:40nj

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