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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP
Posted by: Lewis Walker
Date/Time: 27/12/2003 19:59:25


You're beginning to sound like you modelled the Spanish Inquisition...and I thought in WITW you were asking for more dialogue in the field...

I think the answers I've given thus far are clear enough....the biggest stumbling block to change seems to me to be inadequate rapport (with the person/part)...Steve Gilligan puts it more elegantly when he speaks about technique driven "talking heads hypnosis versus hypnosis from the heart"...but then I'm quoting again...Yet at the same time I try all these things on...whether it be from Dilts, Bandler, Hall, yourself etc and see what the results are from personal experience. Then I discard what doesn't fit or isn't useful to me. Occasionally I might get a glimmer of something new myself....yet most things are a re-hash in one form or another.

You wrote: "This exchange started in another thread where you proposed that the brain gym works like the new code games. Since you (as far as I can determine) have no experience in new code games, I was curious about how you arrived at this comment."

Well....I'm a quick learner John....and I don't necessarily need to go to a seminar to learn how to induce/calibrate to/utilise a high performance state. It's pretty clear how to from WITW...and... experimenting with family, colleagues, friends, patients, and alphabet charts, trampolining, juggling etc, ...that I can elicit such a state and utilise it as per new code protocols. I've also experienced Brain Gym exercises....and from a practical point of view the building blocks are very similar altho' BG doesn't put them all together in quite the same high intensity focus as HPS...a distinction about quality of state rather than different state.

You also wrote: "Your claim,

"...their usage is one of the ways in which any NLP practitioner can accelerate results for clients...My point is that these criteria are as...if not more important...than the specific technique." what I am challenging - do you have a response?"

Only from personal experience....and that is when I have poor rapport with a patient, haven't mastered the technique, have little expectation of them changing....then the response is less good than with the converse. Of course you would likely point out that these "opposites" are both merely sets of beliefs and feedforward criteria which limit performance and outcome...maybe I should simply suspend belief/disbelief, blow on them and see what happens.

As I see it, beliefs are a fundamental part of human processing and as valid to work with as FA experience....(FA being no more a "true" representation of experience than F2 interpretations - both beasts are products of neurological processes)


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The Truth About NLP23/12/2003 22:41:52Ex-NLP Person
     Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 00:46:17Jim R
          Re:Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 02:26:29kate
               Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP27/12/2003 01:20:02Ex-NLP Person
          Re:Re:The Truth About NLP28/12/2003 03:39:25Ex-NLP Person
               Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP28/12/2003 03:47:57Spike
     Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 03:18:25Road Runner
     Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 04:08:47Don Genaro
          Re:Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 13:58:44James McGruderstrong
               Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP25/12/2003 09:35:10nj
     Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 15:20:09John Schertzer
          Re:Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 17:32:49Lewis Walker
               Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 18:19:58John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP24/12/2003 21:19:52Lewis Walker
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP26/12/2003 04:57:54John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP26/12/2003 09:54:15Lewis Walker
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP26/12/2003 19:26:53John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP26/12/2003 20:52:03Lewis Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP27/12/2003 00:05:59John Grinder
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP27/12/2003 19:59:25Lewis Walker
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP28/12/2003 02:50:57John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP29/12/2003 18:58:31Lewis Walker
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP29/12/2003 22:27:07John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP30/12/2003 00:20:49Xlyklops
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP30/12/2003 19:30:06John Grinder
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP30/12/2003 23:42:17Xlyklops
                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP31/12/2003 04:05:53nj
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                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP09/05/2004 15:01:36matt
                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP09/05/2004 20:10:39nj
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP09/05/2004 20:12:39nj
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                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Truth About NLP30/12/2003 20:39:32Lewis Walker
                                                  Re:Brain Gym01/01/2004 20:57:16Ryan Nagy
     Re:The Truth About NLP27/12/2003 03:33:48Don Genaro
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