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Topic: Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW
Posted by: John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
Date/Time: 12/09/2002 03:27:49

Dear LJE

Well, we are not certain what logical type of explanation would satisfy you. We seem to be focusing on different subjects. While we happen to be on the road and without a copy of Whispering, our memory is that the entire epistemology presented in that corresponding chapter is presented without any reference to consciousness - the key concept in your posting. What we were after is a much larger point than consciousness - epistemology is, after all, the investigation of the relationship between human knowledge and the world in which we live. One of the points we were pursuing is that all the nonsense written about truth is wasted effort. F1 transforms guarentee that there is no isomorphic mapping available at present.

So, think about this way: First Access (FA or the 4 tuple) is the point at which the data stream reaches the first point where we have access to it - well after it has moved through a significant number of transforms. Check your own experience and call what you have (non-linguistically mediated representations) FA. Call the stimulation that is the original source of these representations "reality".

So now what's your question?

All the best,

John and Carmen
 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW11/09/2002 22:41:17LJE
     Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW12/09/2002 03:27:49John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
          Re Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW12/09/2002 12:47:20The Phantom
          Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW12/09/2002 16:05:59LJE
               Re:Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW12/09/2002 17:34:04John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. C\lair
                    What is truth?13/09/2002 02:07:48uncle fester
                         Re:What is truth?13/09/2002 03:01:37J Rose
                         Re:What is truth?15/09/2002 05:10:35Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                              Re:Re:What is truth?19/09/2002 00:19:16uncle fester
                                   Re:Re:Re:What is truth? - correction19/09/2002 00:43:24uncle fester
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW13/09/2002 11:35:14LJE
               Re:Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW13/09/2002 04:34:14J Rose
          Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW13/09/2002 03:20:08JR
               Re:Re:Re:Questions regarding the use of 'Real' and 'Illusion' in WITW15/09/2002 21:32:24John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair

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