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Topic: Re:question - doubt
Posted by: Vince
Date/Time: 06/04/2004 18:43:48

Consider this, the opposite of everything you thought you knew.
The unconscious mind does not judge right from wrong, it just carries out programmes, T.O.T.E.s if you will, it has a strategy for every behaviour. If someone goes to bed highly motivated and then wakes up highly motivated and continues throughout the day then whatever they do in their mind works perfectly to maintain motivation.
If a person goes to bed depressed and wakes up depressed and continues to be depressed, then whatever they do in their mind and body to maintain depression works perfectly, for achieving depression. Its just that they might not like it. However it is the conscious mind that decides good from bad, right from wrong. The key to making changes does not always lay with the conscious mind ( I believe R Bandler also said that the conscious mind can be a dickhead)
This is where NLP and Hypnosis can make powerful changes. By reprogramming things at the unconscious level, outside of conscious awareness.
So, Andy, without adding conscious opinion, accept that some people do the best they can with the only behaviour they have, behaviour which is achieving something for them, every behavoiour has a positive intention in that it has worked for them in the past and has got them something.
Remember, people act out of the only behaviour that they have at the time and the secret is not to explain too much about "why" they do something = the problem, but to look at where the "problem behaviour" does have a use and a context and what other behaviour might be more acceptable in its place.
Before you declare something "completely stupid"
examine the ideas behind it. I would suggest you begin with reframing and the meta model. Also take a look on this site at subjects about Cause-effect (especially the threads that suggest there isn't any where human behaviour is concerned)

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
question - doubt05/04/2004 20:15:38andy
     Re:question - doubt05/04/2004 20:47:34sam
     Re:question - doubt06/04/2004 18:43:48Vince
          Re:Re:question - doubt06/04/2004 20:59:45andy
               Re:Re:Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 01:47:46sam
          Re:Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 02:49:55Rich
          Re:Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 03:57:37InnerCalm
               Re:Re:Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 10:56:09vince
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:question - doubt09/04/2004 03:13:30InnerCalm
                         Re: dusty winged moths10/04/2004 04:29:52Pete West
     Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 13:38:39Andy
          Re:Re:question - doubt07/04/2004 18:37:41vince
               Re:Re:Re:question - doubt09/04/2004 04:08:52InnerCalm
                    Re: moths09/04/2004 23:10:08Pete West
                         Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 00:00:29Cal
                              Re:Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 02:58:24Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 03:03:47Pete West
                         Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 01:35:12InnerCalm
                              Re:Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 02:56:24Pete West
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re: moths10/04/2004 21:19:16InnerCalm
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: gold flecked dusty winged moths10/04/2004 21:27:53Pete West
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: gold flecked dusty winged moths11/04/2004 03:38:08InnerCalm
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: gold flecked dusty winged moths11/04/2004 07:00:32Pete West
                                        Re: the no in nuffin' or hypno-agnostic experience11/04/2004 10:25:00Pete West
                                             Re:Re: the no in nuffin' or hypno-agnostic experience11/04/2004 19:10:33InnerCalm
     Re:question - doubt31/07/2004 23:59:01RMK

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