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Topic: Re:Re:Competence and Deviance
Posted by: Ulic
Date/Time: 16/09/2002 02:05:08

Carmen and John,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Regarding the work of Marc Gold, sadly most of his original work is out of print. On the upside, the methods he pioneered are absorbed into the most common methods and assumptions driving the training of people with mental retardation.

Gold called his method "Try Another Way" meaning that it was the responsiblity of the educator to have the necessary flexibility to help other learn. Gold felt that a student's inability to learn was more a reflection of the teacher's methods than the student's ability.

I found a good description of his work at the Autism National Committe website ( in an stricle entitled "The IQ Fallacy" which contains the following quote:

Addressing the parents of supposedly incapable individuals with autism, Gold blasted the test-and-label agenda: "I would imagine that those individuals ...who came to me with the label 'autism,' and who allegedly had many of the characteristics that were regarded as being 'autistic,' needed careful and objective re- evaluation. We who work with the handicapped have a continuing responsibility not to accept labels, and not to accept characteristics that are 'hanging tools' that we can use to make sure that the individual stays functioning at the same level...why don't we believe that (people with autism) all have receptive language, and stop telling them, even in an indirect way, all the ways we expect them to behave; stop discussing all the things they do that you or I consider to be 'autistic'.... I think that diagnosis is useless, and that prediction or prognosis is fatal." This sounds exactly like what the proponents of school inclusion, facilitated communication, and supported employment are saying in the 1990s: Gold, a prophet in the wilderness, offered this devastating critique in 1973.

Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Competence and Deviance15/09/2002 16:52:35Ulic
     Re:Competence and Deviance15/09/2002 18:39:29Ron Klein
     Re:Competence and Deviance15/09/2002 20:45:43Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
          Re:Re:Competence and Deviance16/09/2002 02:05:08Ulic
               Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance16/09/2002 14:16:30Carmen Bostic and John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance16/09/2002 15:14:37Ulic
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance16/09/2002 20:07:46John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance25/11/2002 22:01:09Rebecca Morrill
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance25/11/2002 22:28:43Ulic
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Competence and Deviance07/03/2003 20:50:03Dave
     CD-ROM on Competency Modeling20/12/2002 07:59:39Rahul

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