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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction
Posted by: nj
Date/Time: 14/05/2004 18:27:10

To elaborate a bit more on revenge, ...

I said that the satisfaction of revenge is immoral, whether or not you feel good.  That is not what Trudy Govier puts forward.  She compares revenge, on page 46,

"Often the satisfactions of revenge are only anticipated and never achieved." 

She goes on to say that a revenge-seeker experiences an anticlimax, once the object of his revenge is in his power.

My list of arguments against revenge is a combination of her arguments and my own.  But my thought, that justice is equivalent to revenge, only applies to a particular logical level of justice, the retributive level. 

Govier introduces different logical levels of justice, including social justice, penal justice (divided into retributive, preventive, rehabilitative, moral, and restitutive), justice of recognition, family justice, environmental justice, ontological justice, and even cosmic justice. 

She makes the point that, when people seek justice, what principles that justice is sought on make a practical difference in how that justice is achieved.  The line of her argument goes the opposite direction from what I wrote. 
Justice has many forms, with different practical consequences for those who are its object.

How would NLP play a part in deciding principles, or the values, by which acts of achieving justice are chosen?  Surely the method of triple position could play a part.


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Ethics, second position, and abstraction05/05/2004 10:01:13nj
     Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction05/05/2004 15:40:17Amilcarkabral
          Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction05/05/2004 20:53:04nj
               Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction06/05/2004 13:58:59Amilcar
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction09/05/2004 10:01:58nj
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction14/05/2004 18:27:10nj
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction14/05/2004 19:03:21nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction14/05/2004 20:41:24Elie
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction14/05/2004 20:55:05
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction14/05/2004 21:15:07Eli
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction15/05/2004 02:32:47E_lie
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction15/05/2004 09:06:40
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction15/05/2004 10:04:02e_lie
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction15/05/2004 10:51:25e_lie
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction15/05/2004 19:51:14nj
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction16/05/2004 01:05:51e_lie
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction16/05/2004 01:33:24e_lie
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction16/05/2004 01:45:28nj
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction16/05/2004 03:40:51e_lie
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                                                                                               relevant links16/05/2004 10:08:56e_lie
     Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction05/05/2004 20:59:32nj
          Re:Re:Ethics, second position, and abstraction06/05/2004 18:57:20GSM
     Positive intentions and Ethics26/05/2004 01:45:59Greg Alexander
          Re:Positive intentions and Ethics27/05/2004 18:46:19nj
               Re:Re:Positive intentions and Ethics28/05/2004 00:53:27Greg Alexander
                    Re:Re:Re:Positive intentions and Ethics28/05/2004 06:20:40nj
                         Re:Positive intentions and Ethics28/05/2004 11:23:53Greg Alexander
                              Re:Re:Positive intentions and Ethics28/05/2004 18:58:15nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Positive intentions and Ethics29/05/2004 03:07:52Greg Alexander
                              Re:Re:Positive intentions and Ethics28/05/2004 21:29:50nj

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