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Topic: Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling
Posted by: James Tsakalos
Date/Time: 26/05/2004 12:59:06

Hi Greg,

My ultimate outcome when modeling is to be able to perform as well as the model.  If I do it in the same way but without getting the same calibre of results, then I don't consider that a successful outcome.  On the other hand, if I get great results by doing it quite differently, then how have I modeled another person's skill?

I agree that we add our own biases when we include f2 filters - that's the inherent problem of including such things as values and beliefs when modeling.  Those things are purely content, not process, and any attempt to replicate them in ourselves is pure hallucination.  We are just plain making it up.

But could those hallucinations be *useful* hallucinations, like the hallucinations one has when position shifting?  It seems to me (and this is only my personal subjective experience) that those hallucinations help a lot in 'getting the state right'.  They seem to provide a kind of short-cut to congruency in performing the skill (at which point they can be discarded).

In any case, since everything seems to come back to outcome and intention, let's go there.

Suppose someone is familiar with an INLPTA-style approach to modeling and it serves them well, and then they learn modeling a la Whispering.  For what purpose should they discard the strategies that have worked for them in the past in favour of only doing "pure NLP" modeling?


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Different approaches to modeling26/05/2004 02:52:56James Tsakalos
     Strategies (an issue yet to be addressed)26/05/2004 03:33:13James Tsakalos
     Re:Different approaches to modeling26/05/2004 09:05:50Greg Alexander
          Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling26/05/2004 12:59:06James Tsakalos
               Re:Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling27/05/2004 02:42:52todd S
               Re:Different approaches to modeling27/05/2004 05:51:45Greg Alexander
                    Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling27/05/2004 12:10:13James Tsakalos
                         Re:Different approaches to modeling29/05/2004 06:15:28Greg Alexander
                              Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling29/05/2004 14:26:36James Tsakalos
          Doing it differently26/05/2004 13:05:50James Tsakalos
               Re:Doing it differently26/05/2004 14:32:09Jules Colllingwood
                    Re:Re:Doing it differently27/05/2004 00:29:04James Tsakalos
                    Modeling doesn't end with the uptake27/05/2004 14:01:11James Tsakalos
                         Re:Modeling doesn't end with the uptake28/05/2004 09:56:02Jules Collingwood
                              Re:Re:Modeling doesn't end with the uptake28/05/2004 16:30:25John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Modeling doesn't end with the uptake28/05/2004 17:07:03Jim r
                              Re:Re:Modeling doesn't end with the uptake29/05/2004 14:39:56James Tsakalos
     Re:Different approaches to modeling28/05/2004 22:25:48JPG
          Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling29/05/2004 15:20:16James Tsakalos
               Re:Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling29/05/2004 17:08:32John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling30/05/2004 08:38:13James Tsakalos
          Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling01/06/2004 13:32:37amilcar
               Re:Re:Re:Different approaches to modeling02/06/2004 11:25:41JPG

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