Grinder is much more on the money for my money. Hall is in left field like you Omar. He is semantically dense and has been guessing all along plagiarizing others stuff like my own about models theoretically as you say. Omar we need grass roots get down in the the  dirt and trenches stuff. Meta man..................!Meta man just wish I could be a meta man....! Meta statesHow about meta laughing and meta languaging and meta physiology etc etc etc. is only part of the TRUE equation. Sit back and watch JG AND CB fly with their PRECISE model right here(sneak a peek once a while) cheersJon