Robert Nowhere in Whispering or any other publication associated with my work as the creator of triple description is there any statement about a "neutral observer". The primary utilization of 3rd position is, indeed, the real time application. There are absolutely no implications for OBE (whatever that might mean) - the 3rd position that is an element of triple description has solid kinesthetics - ones selected by the user in rehearsal prior to real time application. John