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Topic: Descartes' original sin
Posted by: Keith
Date/Time: 21/03/2005 08:46:21

Hi John and Carmen,

From Whispering;

"Descartes was a philosopher/mathematician...
He proposed that we are of two parts: mind and body...
Once we have been cloven asunder, there is, in particular, the problem of connecting the two "distinct" parts of ourselves.  Descartes drew a line that split the entity, the human being, into two parts and thereby created the problem of finding specific ways in which these two now distinct parts could influence one another.  This question has exercised philosophers greatly ever since as well as promoting high rates of employment among physicians who are called upon to clean up some of the consequences of Descartes' original sin - his cleaving of the human into mind and body."

Would you mind elaborating on; "This question has exercised philosophers greatly ever since as well as promoting high rates of employment among physicians who are called upon to clean up some of the consequences of Descartes' original sin - his cleaving of the human into mind and body."

Are you suggesting something like that proposed by Gregory Bateson;

“We humans seem to wish that our logic were absolute.  We seem to act on the assumption that it is so and then panic when the slightest overtone that it is not so, or might not be so, is presented.
It is as if the tight coherence of the logical brain, even in persons who notoriously think with a great deal of muddleheadedness, must still be sacrosanct.  When it is shown to be not so coherent, the individuals or cultures dash precipitately, like Gadarene swine, into complexities of supernaturalism.  In order to escape the million metaphoric deaths depicted in a universe of circles of causation, we are eager to deny the simple reality of ordinary dying and to build fantasies of an afterworld and even of reincarnation."

Bateson, G. (1979).  Mind and Nature; A necessary unity.

Thanks,

Keith


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Descartes' original sin21/03/2005 08:46:21Keith
     Re:Descartes' original sin21/03/2005 14:48:23John Grinder
          Re:Re:Descartes' original sin22/03/2005 07:18:35Keith
               Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin23/03/2005 02:00:44John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin23/03/2005 14:46:14John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 04:07:04John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 15:04:20John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 22:42:59nj
                                   Re:Re:Descartes' original sin27/03/2005 05:36:03Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin28/03/2005 16:50:22Martin Messier
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin28/03/2005 16:52:08John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 05:51:35Ryan Nagy
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 18:19:03John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 05:52:00Ryan Nagy
                                                  I forgot to mention...29/03/2005 06:35:51Ryan Nagy
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 11:04:16Martin Messier
                                                       :Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 15:29:55Ryan Nagy
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 18:45:11Martin Messier
                                                                 Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp01/04/2005 07:41:59James Tsakalos
                                                                      Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp04/04/2005 17:56:30Martin Messier
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 19:46:20John Schertzer
                                                                 Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp14/04/2005 21:13:46Tom
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp30/03/2005 21:34:39nj
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp31/03/2005 15:17:21John Schertzer
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp01/04/2005 19:15:45GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin27/03/2005 08:46:49John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 17:26:31GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 21:35:00John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 22:16:21GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f205/04/2005 18:52:39John Schertzer
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 10:44:42John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 13:41:47A
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f208/04/2005 12:08:18John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f208/04/2005 12:37:41A
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 19:14:05John Schertzer
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 22:00:47nj
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f215/04/2005 11:48:26nj
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f215/04/2005 21:40:01John Schertzer
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f223/04/2005 11:11:36njs
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