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Topic: Re:Descartes' original sin
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 21/03/2005 14:48:23

Keith

I like the quote from Gregory but I think that he was making a distinct point.

The target Carmen and I had in mind for what you quoted from Whispering was more along the lines that Descartes' epistemological error created a growth industry in philosophy by creating a false dichotomy - such a dichotomy offers many opportunities to conduct learned analysis and discussion about the illusionary prbblem created by Descartes - more positions in philosophy departments, more books to be written and published, more papers to be delivered to others who accept the corrpupting distinction...

In parallel, suppose that the Cartesian split has a consequence the alienation of consciousness from body awareness and further a sense of helplessness in the unlikely case that enough sensitivity to body signals remains after accepting the split to notice the body's warnings about physiological/neurological imbalances (sometimes labelled " discomfort" and "pain") since in this strange Cartesian world (the default one for the majority of westerners) there is this "outstanding" issue of how it is the the "mind" can influence the body. Sounds a lot like growth industry for physicians to make "interventions" that deal with the general public inability to make effective responses to their own body signals.

Is this the direction in which you were requesting further elaboration?

John  


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Descartes' original sin21/03/2005 08:46:21Keith
     Re:Descartes' original sin21/03/2005 14:48:23John Grinder
          Re:Re:Descartes' original sin22/03/2005 07:18:35Keith
               Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin23/03/2005 02:00:44John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin23/03/2005 14:46:14John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 04:07:04John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 15:04:20John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin24/03/2005 22:42:59nj
                                   Re:Re:Descartes' original sin27/03/2005 05:36:03Ryan Nagy
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin28/03/2005 16:50:22Martin Messier
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin28/03/2005 16:52:08John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 05:51:35Ryan Nagy
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 18:19:03John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 05:52:00Ryan Nagy
                                                  I forgot to mention...29/03/2005 06:35:51Ryan Nagy
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 11:04:16Martin Messier
                                                       :Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 15:29:55Ryan Nagy
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 18:45:11Martin Messier
                                                                 Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp01/04/2005 07:41:59James Tsakalos
                                                                      Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp04/04/2005 17:56:30Martin Messier
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp29/03/2005 19:46:20John Schertzer
                                                                 Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp14/04/2005 21:13:46Tom
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp30/03/2005 21:34:39nj
                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp31/03/2005 15:17:21John Schertzer
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes.../Shortr Exp01/04/2005 19:15:45GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin27/03/2005 08:46:49John Grinder
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 17:26:31GSM
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 21:35:00John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f201/04/2005 22:16:21GSM
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f205/04/2005 18:52:39John Schertzer
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 10:44:42John Grinder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 13:41:47A
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f208/04/2005 12:08:18John Grinder
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f208/04/2005 12:37:41A
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 19:14:05John Schertzer
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f207/04/2005 22:00:47nj
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f215/04/2005 11:48:26nj
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f215/04/2005 21:40:01John Schertzer
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin - f1/f223/04/2005 11:11:36njs
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