| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Descartes' original sin |
| Posted by: | nj |
| Date/Time: | 24/03/2005 22:42:59 |
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Hi, Mr. Schertzer. You wrote, "My only point being, that it is not the imaginary split that is the problem,..." I agree. Assuming you imagine the mind's agency, as something without existence, but something that gives you a noun to refer to, when you don't know how to describe what your body is doing, or can't ascribe a place or a thing to an agent of your doing that is distinct from where you can demonstrate your body is, or can demonstrate (to yourself or others) that your body is an agent of, it's clear that you can presume your mind is something you imagine, and story-tell to be an agency. You wrote, "...since it creates some useful opportunities for us cognitively, but believing it that split, as a form of religion." I think once someone stops believing in his imagination of his mind, and starts to believe in things like the immortal soul, or the spirit inhabitant, an inhabitant as real as his body, then maybe some of the health effects that Dr. Grinder was referring to can be credited to that belief. You wrote, "As you and RB have made the most excellent point of teaching, it's good to have to choice to do one thing or another. I therefore value Descarte's split, but dread getting caught there." The term "mind" is used for several different logical types. If getting caught in Descarte's split means a concern for a nonexistent entity, then that is a waste of time, in some circumstances. But if someone were to anxiously say, "You're controlling my mind!", do you think that person is choosing an alternative description to "You're controlling my body!", in order to make more sense to her listener? Me neither, I think she's concerned about a change in her experience, or plans for her behavior, in the past, present, or future. And her verbalization, even though it's imprecise, inaccurate, and halucinatory, is quite adequate. The first hypnotist truly free of the mind/body split might suffer fewer ethical dilemmas then all the rest, who likewise would fear anyone who could truly control his body, but I doubt it. In fact, belief in an immortal soul might make some life circumstances of body-control easier to resiliently live through or inflict. Amnesia might or might not be one of them, depending on what memories or imaginations are not accessed thereafter. -Noah |