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Topic: Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 08/04/2005 12:06:48

May I begin by reminding you that when we use the term know-nothing state, we are speaking without precision - what we actually are referring to is a set of know-nothing states.

Let's suppose that all know-nothing states are characterized by the full suspension of f2 filters - all language and all other f2 impositions are set aside and we play at FA. If you acdept this characterization, then know-nothing states and what I take to be Casteneda's "stopping the world" are equivalent functionally - although the way you get there might be quite distinct.

As to the sensing shifts - yes, these are all to be anticipated and embraced - one of the delights of living at FA is the richness of the sensory world - remember the price that language extracts is high - what you are recovering is that price.

In particular, you ask about the perceptions of speed in the 180 degree sphere - it is interesting that you select the term "time distrortion" as my proposal would be the normal (with f2 filter operating) perception of variable speeds around you is the "distorted" one (additional f2 filters stabilizing it to create the illusion. You will note that the epistemology that Carmen and I present in Whispering argues that FA itself is an already transformed (or "distorted" if you prefer) representation of what's out there but less transformed as it has not been subjected to the f2 filter - an additinal layer of "distortion".

You are correct that I use different members of this set of know-nothing states in modeling - specifically, phases 2 and 3 which include unconscious assimilation.

Finally your point about know-nothing states being well-contextualized is well-made. Part of any useful taxomony refining the general set of know-nothing states will surely refer to such distinctions.

John


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Stopping the world and know-nothing state07/04/2005 12:19:42JPG
     Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state07/04/2005 13:46:39A
     Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state07/04/2005 17:14:21Eric Robbie
          Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state09/04/2005 14:11:32JPG
     Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state08/04/2005 12:06:48John Grinder
          Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state08/04/2005 18:44:42Eric Robbie
               Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state09/04/2005 08:47:24John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state10/04/2005 10:43:00Charlie Conklin
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state10/04/2005 13:36:05JPG
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state11/04/2005 21:05:40Charlie Conklin
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state11/04/2005 23:03:35A
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state12/04/2005 19:01:10Charlie Conklin
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state12/04/2005 23:54:40A
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state13/04/2005 17:26:21John Grinder
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                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state14/04/2005 01:49:20kc
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state17/04/2005 11:36:29kc
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                                   subjective experience and truth13/04/2005 08:10:27JPG
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state10/04/2005 22:38:29Tom
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stopping the world and know-nothing state11/04/2005 20:56:36Charlie Conklin

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