By refining the representations of the desired state, the consultant can with precision know John you wrote, "which portions of the present state are of relevance to achieving the desired state. If you lead with an investigation of the present state, you will develop many times more information than required to achieve any particular desired state." Thats also a main difference in how therphists handle issues. the focus on the present state and what past state brought this upon the client. Focusing onto what will be make sure what the bits are needed to achive the desired result. A whole field looking in the wrong direction. Kinda funny if it wasnt so sad. /Robert