a reflection John, It seems with the limited acess that has been with modeling that the explicit mapping from unconsious uptake more has grown into trying to make explicit maps like R Dilts Neurolevelmodel. (which isnt as good as they could be) I myself have tryied out different ways doing modeling and found that the patterning of unconsious uptake into consious explicit material are tedious. That is, until the material or more the patterning goes into a strategyformat or model which then aquire the information and test different set of criteria (set of patterns). Its like the math guy you wrote as a note in the last pages in how to do an advanced unconsious problemsolving strategy. It seems like to be an advance use of pre FA. He however seemed to have a very consious driven set of well formed intutions in what was an earlier unsolved mathproblem. Know nothing seems at least for me to be working along side the paradoxical. Btw John, gonna send a pattern down to you and Carmen as soon its been written down. Have a friend testing it out who is native speaker of english. its using altered states as change patettern. /Robert