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Topic: Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP
Posted by: nj
Date/Time: 04/01/2003 08:14:00

Hello, Ms. Ogdin.


In this post, I use the ellipsis symbol, "...", to show a deleted portion in my quotes from your post titled "Law of Requisite Variety in NLP", and posted to the WITW forum on 28/07/2002 at 17:26:39.

In the post that this post replies to, you wrote:


"Ashby describes the LRV in 'An Introduction to Cybernetics,' (W Ross Ashby, Metheun, London, 1956 [my edition is dated 1979], pp 202-213), in a mere twelve pages, readable and comprehensible to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of algebra.  Of course, he posits the law in the context of a closed system (in which all variables are accounted for; how Cartesian can you get?), but that makes it no less applicable to open systems.  It's just that the proofs are harder  (analogous to the flaw in Adam Smith's simplistic formulation so elegantly generalized by John Nash's Equilibrium)."


A PDF version of Dr. Ashby's "An Introduction To Cybernetics" is available online, at:


http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/books/IntroCyb.pdf


In the post that this post replies to, you wrote:


"Of course, he posits the law in the context of a closed system (in which all variables are accounted for; how Cartesian can you get?), but that makes it no less applicable to open systems.  It's just that the proofs are harder..." 


I interpret your statement to mean:


"Ashby's law of Requisite Variety applies to human interactions."


Would you (or anyone else?) attempt to prove how Ashby's law of Requisite Variety applies in any way to human interactions?


In the post that this post replies to, you wrote:


"But the real value for me was personal.  As I understood, in my shortest paraphrase, that 'systems reward variety,' it made clear why 'flexibility drills' were so important, why having more choice is preferable, and why my enduring persistence in trying to identify 'the right way' was less useful than finding as many ways as possible to do something.  I'm still working hard at trying to find ways to expand my repertoire.  While rep systems and calibration and meta-model, etc. were all important learnings, for me the real 'eye-openers' were the power of presuppositions and the Law of Requisite Variety."


and I can't easily interpret it. 


To help me understand what you wrote, you could respond back to this post with descriptions of: one or more systems that can reward variety (or variety as a property of a person, thing, process, or event); one or more events of a system rewarding someone or something; one or more system-rewarded varieties (or varieties as properties of people, things, processes, or events).


-nj


Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Law of Requisite Variety in NLP28/07/2002 17:26:39Carol Anne (Friday) Ogdin
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP30/07/2002 21:31:34John Grinder
          Re(2): Law of Requisite Variety in NLP07/08/2002 16:49:29Carol Anne (Friday) Ogdin
               Re:Re(2): Law of Requisite Variety in NLP07/08/2002 18:56:09John Grinder
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP04/01/2003 08:14:00nj
          Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP10/05/2003 05:21:15nj
               Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP11/05/2003 02:22:09Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP14/05/2003 23:45:39nj
                         Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 08:49:39Ryan N.
                              Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 19:02:31nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 19:49:22John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP17/05/2003 05:54:05nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP19/05/2003 21:28:22John Schertzer
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP20/05/2003 00:11:15nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP20/05/2003 14:52:32John Schertzer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP23/05/2003 23:28:14nj
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP10/02/2004 11:28:36Tim
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/01/2003 03:28:36Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com)

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