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Topic: Re(2): Law of Requisite Variety in NLP
Posted by: Carol Anne (Friday) Ogdin
Date/Time: 07/08/2002 16:49:29

Thanks for the response, John.

First of all, I think I'm using "paraphrase" in the sense you're using "interpretation."  My OED is more liberal in its definition and doesn't appear to connote any requirement for isomorphism...and my arguing semantics and definitions with a respected and honored linguist would engage you in a dialogue with an unarmed person.

I see two threads in your reply:  Rigor and Utility.

As for rigor, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of it, and I find lots of it in "Whisperings."  The rigor is what makes it appealing to me.  When I read the pages about LRV, I was left with my own impression that you no longer wanted it to hold a legitimate role in NLP.  I've found an interpretation that seems to me to be closer to Ashby's intent, and it works for me.  I offered it only as one humble suggestion for consideration.  Perhaps together, we in this forum could collaborate to formulate a better interpretation that would both more closer to the complex original and be more useful?

Alas, I'm not qualified to present a proof, I can only suggest there might be one if someone qualified were to address it.  I'll search my sources and see if I can find anything, but I'm not sanguine about the prospects (it's amazing to me how few people know of Ashby's work).  If there's anything I could do to help others develop a more rigorous characterization of LRV to open and/or living systems, I offer whatever resources I may have.

As for Utility, that's where I thought my experience might be helpful.  Anecdotes can be bearers of information, despite lack of rigor.  I've found that applying LRV has proven helpful to me--no matter how misguided my understanding might be.  Perhaps I'm just trusting my unconscious to draw conclusions from information not yet evident in the world of formal proofs and shared experience...or, perhaps, I'm just hallucinating that value.  I try to follow Gene Gendlin's recommendation to "Check In (listen to one's unconscious) and Check Out (look for confirming/denying evidence)" (parenthetic interpretations being my own--cao).


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Law of Requisite Variety in NLP28/07/2002 17:26:39Carol Anne (Friday) Ogdin
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP30/07/2002 21:31:34John Grinder
          Re(2): Law of Requisite Variety in NLP07/08/2002 16:49:29Carol Anne (Friday) Ogdin
               Re:Re(2): Law of Requisite Variety in NLP07/08/2002 18:56:09John Grinder
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP04/01/2003 08:14:00nj
          Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP10/05/2003 05:21:15nj
               Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP11/05/2003 02:22:09Ryan Nagy
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP14/05/2003 23:45:39nj
                         Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 08:49:39Ryan N.
                              Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 19:02:31nj
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/05/2003 19:49:22John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP17/05/2003 05:54:05nj
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP19/05/2003 21:28:22John Schertzer
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP20/05/2003 00:11:15nj
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP20/05/2003 14:52:32John Schertzer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP23/05/2003 23:28:14nj
     Re:Law of Requisite Variety in NLP16/01/2003 03:28:36Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (

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