Hi Gene, hi Lewis Sure Gene, I selected pain for the simple reason that it is the most elegant example as the pain is by definition, involuntary - a required characteristic of the signal systems. So the example from Lewis works nicely (thanks as always, Lewis). Nearly any experience where the conscious mind wants X and when the person involved goes to acutally do X, they are blocked, incongruent, experience resistance - in other words, there are distinct kinesthetic sensations (typically labeled resistance by therapists when it is a response to something they have asked the client to do). Clearly, these are invitations from the unconscious and are usefully responded to as the opening of a dialogue to come to some mutually respectful agreement - typically, the negotiation moves to the level of intention and then the selection of a new way of achieving the original objective. All the best, John