Zhi Zhi Chien There are some clear differences betweem what's on offer (from NLP) and what we (Carmen and I) proposed in Whispering - the most compelling of the differences revolves around the lack of distinction between what we characterized as the two distinct levels of NLP: modeling, the core activity and the subsequent application of pattern coded in phase 4 of the modeling process. Thus, we would insist that the opening of the informal definition is: "NLP is a detailed operational model of the processes involved in the modeling of excellence: more specifically, the mapping of tacit knowledge onto explicit knowledge in this extreme of human functioning: excellence." And the second sentence would then move along the lines of, " The products of the core NLP activity - the modeling of excellence - are available for application in a wide range of activities. Historically, the initial application was in the field of therapy and personal change (as this was the domain in which the first of the models of NLP happened to operate.? We have yet work in the design aspects of NLP. All the best, John