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Topic: Re:RE: competition vs collaboration
Posted by: Michael Carroll
Date/Time: 31/03/2004 23:15:19

Keith: “Is competition at a higher logical level to co-operation or are they at the same logical level?”

Charlie: “That is indeed an interesting question! Of course it is going to depend on what the organising principle is for the hierarchy which contains "competition" and "cooperation".

Eman: “And are they both on the same logical levels or are they the same logial types. And what does that do for competition and does it have to be against cooperation. Where did the subjective bias and others values sneak in here?”

Michael: Let’s take an example to play with and explore how collaboration and competition might work in a system at different levels inherent in the system.

We have a set of suppliers selling video mobile phones, consisting of companies X, Y, Z; At this level the companies are collaborating in educating the market place about this form of communication. They are collaborating in promoting video mobile communication against other forms of communication. Their competition is the set of companies who promote alternative ways to connect. If company X’s market awareness campaign is successful. Companies Y and Z will benefit. The organising principle at this level is market awareness for video mobile phones. Note the members are collaborating to compete.

Down a logical level you have the individual companies, X, Y and Z as sub sets. These subsets are on the same logical level and type. If we focus on set X, the members are different sales regions within the company. Collectively all the regions of company X are collaborating in competing against company Y and Z for market share.(In the competition between X,Y, and Z the survival of the fittest determines the winner) Note the members of set X (regions) of  are collaborating to compete against the total performance of set Y and Z.

Now at lower level, set X is divided into 4 regions, at this level the regions are sub sets of the set described in above paragraph. We have region A, B., C and D. The members of set A are the sales people selling the product, the same for B, C and D. The members of set A are collaborating together in their competion against B, C,D. The motive (organising principle) of the collaboration of the members of set A is to be the best region.

Down a level we now have the individuals within team A, these are competing against each other for the number one spot in the team.

There is a pattern. So is collaboration or competition of a higher logical level?

Michael Carroll

Note in Whispering, John and Carmen describe two types of hierarchies

1. Logical Levels; determined by scope and constriction, meaning the lower sets have a less members than the higher sets

2. Iconic: Whole to parts, meaning the lower sets are parts of the higher sets and can have more members i.e. nuts are part of the car, and there are more nuts.

My hierarchy includes iconic sorting as well as constriction sorting.  My purpose is demonstrating examples of competition and collaboration at play in systems.

Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
RE:New Code, NLP and competition27/03/2004 19:43:23Ivan T. Popopski
     Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition28/03/2004 08:15:07Stephen Murrish
          Re:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition28/03/2004 17:31:18Ryan Nagy
               Re:Re:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition29/03/2004 04:21:04Stephen Murrish
          ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition29/03/2004 13:45:06Ivan T Poposki
               Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition30/03/2004 04:16:50Eman Seaman
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition30/03/2004 05:50:30Keith
                         Re:Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition30/03/2004 11:01:55Ivan T. Popopski
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition04/04/2004 18:03:44John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition30/03/2004 18:38:31Charlie Conklin
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition31/03/2004 09:01:59Stephen Murrish
               Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition31/03/2004 08:56:48Stephen Murrish
                    Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition31/03/2004 13:10:16Eman Seaman
                         Re:Re:Re:ReReReRe:Re:RE:New Code, NLP and competition01/04/2004 10:41:17Stephen Murrish
     Re:RE: competition vs collaboration31/03/2004 23:15:19Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:RE: competition vs collaboration02/04/2004 04:44:04kc
               American slogans: competition vs collaboration02/04/2004 05:06:45Anthony
                    Re:American slogans: competition vs collaboration02/04/2004 08:58:54Stephen Murrish
               Re:Re:Re:RE: competition vs collaboration06/04/2004 00:32:24Michael Carroll
          Re:Re:RE: competition vs collaboration02/04/2004 09:18:36Charlie Conklin
          Re:Re:RE: competition vs collaboration04/04/2004 12:06:07JPG
               Re:Re:Re:RE: competition vs collaboration04/04/2004 23:16:09Dave Ericksen

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