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Topic: Re:F1, F2 and FA
Posted by: John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
Date/Time: 27/09/2002 16:16:34

Hello Louisea

There is no distinguished technical term for memory. At present, the word, "memory", will have to serve.

We propose the following analysis:

1. memory of some event, (e), is a re-constructive process

2. as there are no actual external stimuli of that e present, the re-construction is some partial version of the original.

3. if the original e was pure FA, then the re-construction will be FA unless the strategy for re-construction (memory) involves f2 transforms (for example, using internal dialogue to cue yourself during the re-construction process).

4. if the original e includes not only f1 transforms but also f2 transforms, then the reconstructed memory will include (at least some of) those f2 transforms.  Depending on the strategy used for accessing the reconstructed memory, it may also include the products of the f2 filters from that strategy.

BTW, this point about the contamination coming from the strategy used for reconstructing the memory of an event has an significant impact on modeling. More specifically, to ask a model (source) to remember how he or she did X (some example of an extraordinarily effective pattern that the modeler is interested in assimulating for modeling purposes) involves two serious difficulties:

1. the modeler is accepting verbal (f2) descriptions of the model's ability to perform rather than the actual performance of the patterning being modeled. This is a clear violation of the suspension of f2 filters during the assimulation phase (Whispering, pages 179 - 182 and especially page 349), and will result in the modeler imposing his own distinctions on the process rather than assimulating the model's distinctions.  

2. The model is describing from a reconstructed memory the performance of the patterning rather than actually doing it. Thus, his or her performance will be some strange mix of the strategies involved in the actual performance of the patterning being pursued by the modeler and the strategies for the reconstruction of the memory of the event.

Hope this works for you.

All the best,

John and Carmen

Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 00:02:57Louisea Marnie
     Re:F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 02:56:11JR
          Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 08:20:14Louisea Marnie
     Re:F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 16:16:34John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair
          ReRe:Re:F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 16:33:16kc
          Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA27/09/2002 23:20:02Louisea Marnie
          ReReReReRe:Re:F1, F2 and FA28/09/2002 09:54:43Don
          Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA28/09/2002 14:16:27Michael Carroll
               Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA28/09/2002 15:12:45don
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA29/09/2002 12:30:57Greg
                         ReReReReReRerErRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA06/10/2002 17:10:38don
                              ReReRe:ReReReReReRerErRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA06/10/2002 23:20:09Greg
               ReReReReReReReReReReRe: F1, F2 and FA15/11/2002 17:38:18Don
     Re:F1, F2 and FA28/09/2002 03:47:43Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
          Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA29/09/2002 00:08:36Louisea Marnie
               Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA29/09/2002 21:20:25Carmen Bostic St.Clair and John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA30/09/2002 00:20:57Louisea Marnie
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA30/09/2002 04:09:16Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA04/10/2002 04:06:48kc
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA04/10/2002 05:32:49John Grinder
                                        ReReReReReReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA09/10/2002 13:32:08kc
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA15/11/2002 19:23:20John Schertzer
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA16/11/2002 17:42:01John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA18/11/2002 14:51:00John Schertzer
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA20/11/2002 16:15:37John Grinder
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA20/11/2002 16:54:55John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA18/11/2002 15:47:35Jon Edwards
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA19/11/2002 18:23:11John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA18/11/2002 15:50:29Ashley

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