Topic: | Re:F1, F2 and FA |
Posted by: | John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair |
Date/Time: | 27/09/2002 16:16:34 |
Hello Louisea There is no distinguished technical term for memory. At present, the word, "memory", will have to serve. We propose the following analysis: 1. memory of some event, (e), is a re-constructive process 2. as there are no actual external stimuli of that e present, the re-construction is some partial version of the original. 3. if the original e was pure FA, then the re-construction will be FA unless the strategy for re-construction (memory) involves f2 transforms (for example, using internal dialogue to cue yourself during the re-construction process). 4. if the original e includes not only f1 transforms but also f2 transforms, then the reconstructed memory will include (at least some of) those f2 transforms. Depending on the strategy used for accessing the reconstructed memory, it may also include the products of the f2 filters from that strategy. BTW, this point about the contamination coming from the strategy used for reconstructing the memory of an event has an significant impact on modeling. More specifically, to ask a model (source) to remember how he or she did X (some example of an extraordinarily effective pattern that the modeler is interested in assimulating for modeling purposes) involves two serious difficulties: 1. the modeler is accepting verbal (f2) descriptions of the model's ability to perform rather than the actual performance of the patterning being modeled. This is a clear violation of the suspension of f2 filters during the assimulation phase (Whispering, pages 179 - 182 and especially page 349), and will result in the modeler imposing his own distinctions on the process rather than assimulating the model's distinctions. 2. The model is describing from a reconstructed memory the performance of the patterning rather than actually doing it. Thus, his or her performance will be some strange mix of the strategies involved in the actual performance of the patterning being pursued by the modeler and the strategies for the reconstruction of the memory of the event. Hope this works for you. All the best, John and Carmen |
Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 00:02:57 | Louisea Marnie |
Re:F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 02:56:11 | JR |
Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 08:20:14 | Louisea Marnie |
Re:F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 16:16:34 | John Grinder and Carmen Bostic St. Clair |
ReRe:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 16:33:16 | kc |
Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 27/09/2002 23:20:02 | Louisea Marnie |
ReReReReRe:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 28/09/2002 09:54:43 | Don |
Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 28/09/2002 14:16:27 | Michael Carroll |
Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 28/09/2002 15:12:45 | don |
Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 29/09/2002 12:30:57 | Greg |
ReReReReReRerErRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 06/10/2002 17:10:38 | don |
ReReRe:ReReReReReRerErRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 06/10/2002 23:20:09 | Greg |
ReReReReReReReReReReRe: F1, F2 and FA | 15/11/2002 17:38:18 | Don |
Re:F1, F2 and FA | 28/09/2002 03:47:43 | Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder |
Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 29/09/2002 00:08:36 | Louisea Marnie |
Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 29/09/2002 21:20:25 | Carmen Bostic St.Clair and John Grinder |
Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 30/09/2002 00:20:57 | Louisea Marnie |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 30/09/2002 04:09:16 | Carmen Bostic St. Clair and John Grinder |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 04/10/2002 04:06:48 | kc |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 04/10/2002 05:32:49 | John Grinder |
ReReReReReReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 09/10/2002 13:32:08 | kc |
Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 15/11/2002 19:23:20 | John Schertzer |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 16/11/2002 17:42:01 | John Grinder |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 18/11/2002 14:51:00 | John Schertzer |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 20/11/2002 16:15:37 | John Grinder |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 20/11/2002 16:54:55 | John Schertzer |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 18/11/2002 15:47:35 | Jon Edwards |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 19/11/2002 18:23:11 | John Schertzer |
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:F1, F2 and FA | 18/11/2002 15:50:29 | Ashley |