Jon you wrote "or you could try them out, then think them over, Wolfgang  :-)" Good approach! On another note related  to Tranceformations, if people here want to read a  beautiful example of sensory acuity, pacing, usage of Milton patterns, asking the right questions, pattern interupt and metaphor – read pages 162 -165(tranceformations). John G, as you haven’t got the book with, I am referring to the alcoholic lady you met in the liquor store. Awesome stuff and very beautifully done. A great story, a lady in a store bumps into Grinder, begins a dialogue and her life changes. No explicit techniques present here, just a wonderful example of utilisation and short metaphor. A worthy learning task for anyone trained in NLP language patterns would be to do a linguistic analysis on this piece.