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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 11/06/2003 15:03:13

I would say there is a wide overlapping of CBT and NLP application, I think you and Mike Yapko are right.  Sometimes things develop interesting parallels at the same time, and sometimes there's an interbreeding.  A systematic questioning process talked about in a book by Aaron Beck's daughter, sort of an intro to CT, is suspiciously similar to the Meta Model, for instance. 

But since CT and CBT are part of the *official* "psychology," all of its elements are statiststically tested a piece at a time, and then recompiled.  One of my arguments against this process is that it has a profound effect on the aesthetics (there goes that word again) of the over-all design.  Since state management is, or is at least similar to, a form of aesthetics, itself, the design process will always somewhat determine the change process.  And perhaps my point is too Rouseauian or even Taoist, but what I believe is missing from CBT is an elegance which seems to be at the highest level of NLP values.  This is true with analysis, as well.  Another commonality between analysis and NLP is that the change agent does an enormous amount of themselves before touching anyone else, which is not something I hear happening in PhD programs, where CT and CBT are religion.

My analyst friend already thought I was a fine analyst, but lost faith in me once I started learning that "Tony Robbins stuff."  But he's read some Erickson, at least, and has begun to appreciate the ideas a bit, which makes sense, since I think most of his work is a metaphor exchange -- what they call "free association."


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
N-L systems & psychology10/06/2003 10:37:08Keith
     Re:N-L systems & psychology10/06/2003 14:03:14John Schertzer
          Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology12/06/2003 00:52:55Keith
               Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology12/06/2003 01:09:13Ryan N.
               Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology12/06/2003 14:15:56John Schertzer
     Re:N-L systems & psychology10/06/2003 17:52:03John Grinder
          Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology10/06/2003 19:28:42John Schertzer
     Re:N-L systems & psychology10/06/2003 18:31:36Ryan N.
          Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 04:21:22John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 10:12:09Keith
               Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 14:01:57John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 14:19:36Lewis Walker
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 15:03:13John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 17:12:47Ryan N.
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:N-L systems & psychology11/06/2003 17:20:39John Grinder

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