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Topic: Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 10/09/2003 18:56:37

From reading Robert Dilts' book on modeling, as well as many of his articles, it seems he DOES include unconscious uptake in the process in a way that sounds similar to what is described in Whispering.  He may, however, include all kinds of conscious strategy, beliefs, values, etc., elicitations previous to gaining considerable unconscious competency.  For that you'd have to find out from someone who's worked with him.  T?

But he does seem to put a high value on using a know-nothing -- what he sometimes calls "nerk nerk" -- state to gain much of the information.  Whether his use of strategies, etc., in the process disqualifies him from doing real NLP modeling, is up to John and him.

There might be something to that.  While trying to model someone's interpersonal skills I've come away, not with what I set out to gain, but weight and vision problems.  But things like that often happen to me.  If I set out to model the weight and vision problems I might have gotten the interpersonal skills.  For instance, half the time I use 6step reframing I end up with something less desirable than what I started with.  It's almost as though my unconscious is telling me, "do the work, do it consciously, and I'll fill in the details."

Please advise.... anyone.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Robert Dilts and Modeling09/09/2003 14:39:01Pete
     Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling09/09/2003 19:12:27Jim R
          Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling09/09/2003 19:21:05Ted S
     Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling10/09/2003 05:46:45Stephen
          Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling10/09/2003 18:56:37John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling10/09/2003 22:04:00Jim R
               Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling11/09/2003 00:05:28t
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling11/09/2003 13:07:49Lewis Walker
     Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 03:19:26InnerCalm
          Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 17:19:47Ryan Nagy
               Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 17:37:12Sue
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 21:07:40InnerCalm
               Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 20:55:57InnerCalm
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 22:04:38jim r
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 22:55:45InnerCalm
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling23/09/2003 23:04:29InnerCalm
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling24/09/2003 05:22:18Jim
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling24/09/2003 19:38:45InnerCalm
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling24/09/2003 09:45:57Stephen Bray
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling24/09/2003 21:28:15Ryan Nagy
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Robert Dilts and Modeling25/09/2003 01:31:42InnerCalm

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