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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing
Posted by: John Grinder
Date/Time: 24/12/2003 18:40:54

Stephen

Especially in Latin American countries, there is a strong movement to identify the involuntary signals developed in 6 step with prayer or even talking to god. You (correctly, I think) point out that the structure of the deal and prayer share some characteristics. I would suggest that perhaps the historical development is a growing recognition that "god" is ultimately our ability to recognize and accept responsibilitily for the consequences of our own actions, both intended and unintended.

The narrative in Whispering has some unfortunate consequences - I had had many experiences in which my uncosncious delivered under extreme circumstances performances that were astonishing and instrumental in their effects (saving my ass, in one way or another). The emergence of the pattern was unique (in my experience) principally because of its precision and balance. Every athlete, adventurer, explorer knows this relationship.

You asked,

"...any speculations as to why when you asked for help from your unconscious to get you past that brief weekend of sickness, your unconscious answered so resolutely..."

By resolutely, I assume you are referring to essentially telling me (consciously) to butt out. Who knows, as Carmen and I mentioned in Whispering, there were years of acting (in concert with others as well as alone) where prepared me to produce the pattern - possibly, the pattern wouln't presently exist were it not for an opportune question by one of the participants and my response by jotting down the 6 steps - we may have been doing (in some less than organized fashion) all the steps of the pattern without conscious recognition...

You know, I recognize that you are too intelligent to ask for a Cause-Effect relationship here, but I am uncertain what category of response you are seeking here - offer me a description of the set of explanations you are seeking, maybe we both get to learn something.

John 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 11:20:10Hopimind
     Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 11:26:31Pete West
          Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 11:37:24Rolls Anotherone
               Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 01:39:15SameJointAgain
          Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 13:40:15Hopimind
               Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 16:52:59John Grinder
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 17:01:40hopimind
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 17:45:48Stephen Bray
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 18:49:12John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 18:46:39John Grinder
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 22:08:14Hopimind
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 08:47:03Stew
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 23:27:05Robert Tarkin
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing22/12/2003 23:53:45Road runner
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 00:13:26Road Runner
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 00:31:14Father Benny
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 01:01:26Road Runner
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 04:55:36stud
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 07:24:38Road Runner
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 07:43:47Road Runner
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 02:38:50Gabe
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 04:52:11kate
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 06:30:23Stephen Bray
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 07:19:17Road Runner
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 07:34:51Road Runner
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 17:30:22Stephen Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing24/12/2003 15:41:45John Schertzer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing24/12/2003 18:40:54John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:To JG, re: 6 step reframing23/12/2003 13:42:58hopimind

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