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Topic: Re:Re:Re: A meta whisper
Posted by: Robert Holzhauser
Date/Time: 09/11/2002 21:38:20

Here is my understanding of what a meta-state is.  A state or emotion which has as it's focus or content another state. 

The sensory based description that comes most easily to mind is this.  If a person claims to be feeling or experiencing state X, and a practitioner asks this person "How do you feel ABOUT feeling state X?"  The answer - is a meta-state. 

For example, right now I am feeling curious.  If I ask myself how I feel about feeling curious - my answer is that I feel satisfied that I feel curious. 

So then to continue a bit with my example - I ask myself "How do I feel about feeling satisfied with my curiousity?"  My answer is this time several states - that I long for adventure, I am grateful to be experiencing this moment, I am frustrated that my current experience lacks some zing, I have a desire to learn, I am curious where this will lead and I feel good about myself for having the curiousity.

I believe it is at this level that the meta states model gets a little ambiguous.  My answers here at this level - which are real answers btw - are only partially limited to feelings /states about being satisfied with feeling curious.  My ansers at this third level start to  include a wider frame of experience. 

This makes sense to me, as it is now apparently a larger chunk level.

Apparently I could continue this forever.  Now that I have reached a place where I have multiple responses I could choose to go after a meta state for each of these meta states or - and this is hinted at in Michael Hall's work - a meta state for this combination of states. 

This is an attempt to provide a sensory specific description of meta states. 

My interpretation is that a state qualifies as a meta state when it is a state or emotion that is about another state. 

It can be elicited by getting a description of present state.  - There are various possibilities for this - including just asking - "How do you feel?"  The typical reply to this would be a state or emotion.  This is the starting point or primary state. 

Once the primary state is established, to elicit a meta state - The question is "How do you feel about -primary state-?"  Given that the response to this meta state elicitation question is recognizable as being in the realm of states - it qualifies as a meta state.  An emotion about an emotion.

The primary state has a 4-tuple, and the meta-state also has it's own 4-tuple. 

Is this an acceptable sensory based description?

Robert
 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Meta-States in 17/10/2002 19:03:25L. Michael Hall, Ph.D.
     Re:Meta-States in 18/10/2002 02:22:33The Other Side of Summer
          Re:Re:Meta-States in 11/11/2002 15:40:25Jurek
     Re: Correct me if I am wrong..18/10/2002 17:43:16Tone
          Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..18/10/2002 23:55:08sammy
          Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..18/10/2002 23:57:10sammy
          Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..18/10/2002 23:57:27sammy
               Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..20/10/2002 21:49:10Stephen
                    Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..23/10/2002 13:55:19Caefu
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..23/10/2002 16:20:13Tag
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..23/10/2002 17:20:56Caefu
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..31/10/2002 14:27:12Loiusea Marnie
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..04/11/2002 23:52:34thepropagandist
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReReRe:Correct me if I am right or wrong..05/11/2002 12:15:20John Grinder
                                                  Please, correct me if I am wrong.06/11/2002 08:56:00propman
                                                       Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.08/11/2002 15:26:54Hello Propman
                                                            Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.08/11/2002 19:27:46Caefu
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.09/11/2002 01:56:48Michael Carroll
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.09/11/2002 18:17:11Dr Peter Davies
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.10/11/2002 00:20:31Michael Carroll
                                                                                Where and how I see meta states fitting in.12/11/2002 22:15:41Peter Davies
                                                                                     Re:Where and how I see meta states fitting in.13/11/2002 00:21:25thepropagandist
                                                                                          Re:Re:Where and how I see meta states fitting in.13/11/2002 00:22:22thepropagandist
                                                                                     To Peter Davies13/11/2002 03:28:32Michael Carrol
                                                                                     Re:Where and how I see meta states fitting in.13/11/2002 13:38:38Jon Edwards
                                                                                Please, correct me if I am wrong.13/11/2002 23:10:28propman
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Please, Just another whisper10/11/2002 00:46:04mel
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Re:Please, Just another whisper11/11/2002 07:37:56Peter Davies
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.11/11/2002 15:10:06Caefu
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.11/11/2002 15:51:42Caefu
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Please, correct me if I am wrong.21/01/2003 21:02:33Michael Worthington
                                                                 Re:Re:Re: A meta whisper09/11/2002 21:38:20Robert Holzhauser
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re: A meta whisper10/11/2002 10:11:53Robert
                                                                           Re:Re Re:Re:Re:Re: A meta whisper10/11/2002 10:22:06bert
                                                                                Re:Re:Re Re:Re:Re:Re: A meta whisper12/11/2002 07:50:31Robert
                                                             correct me if I am wrong.14/01/2003 12:26:49JT

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