| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching |
| Posted by: | John Schertzer |
| Date/Time: | 29/04/2003 14:35:42 |
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nj, Nice post! I agree with most of what you're saying. "What effects do you think a Science Of Representations might have on future artists?" To tell you the truth, I have no idea, and in the same way the development of photography affected painting during the late 19th and throughout the 20th century, I believe we would be in for some huge surprises. Remember, as mechanical functionality increases, art itself seems to wander further into the exploration of subjectivity, just as NLP does, though with fewer fixed variables. There are places in which they could merge and others where they should diverge. When I said that art should create new representations and possible ways of representing, I meant that an artist should (and that's a qualified, and value-based "should") always explore the uncodified. In some ways this is an easy task, since it's more of a matter of following the drift of one's own opacity, what one doesn't yet recognize, rather than what is determined by current theory or explanation -- or what doesn't seem to have a matching logical type. My mindread would be that you are concerned that your art or research would have to fit a standardized logical type, and that's not what I would wish for at all (though as a poet leaning toward experimentation -- and I consider my writing a form of research -- I notice how publications tend to accept work that falls into recognizable patterns -- editors need some kind of criteria, I suppose). You're right on about the use of terms "elegance" and "beauty" applied to science and technology, and here I believe there has been a paradoxical shift. I don't hear those terms being applied to art so much any more, though we might ask questions about how or whether an art object (or idea, which also may be called an object) *works*, and therefore concern ourselves with its functionality. To make things even fuzzier, a person whom I believe was one of the 20th century's most interesting artists and teachers or art, Joseph Beuys, decided there should be no fixed boundaries around "art" and decided to teach his students his Expanded Concept of Art, which stated that all professions and areas of life were creative pursuits (obviously aware of the more tacit creative functions occurring throughout the life process), and that artistic principles could be usefully applied in all of these areas. I believe there is something similar in the minds of the developers of NLP. It is possible that the "writing" that you may not want to do, or procedures of "science" may actually be more influenced by "art" than vice versa. At the same time, we didn't wan to do some of the writing my fellow students and I had to do when we were working toward our MFA's, but I congruently believe now that it helped me become, if not a better writer, a much more flexible one. I know I've skirted around most of issues you've raised, but I've tried to approach them the best I could. best, JS |