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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching
Posted by: nj
Date/Time: 03/05/2003 00:39:27

Hello, Dr. Grinder.

1.  You wrote,

"What are referring to here?"

I am referring to the concept termed "representations" whose word tokens appear in your writing on pages 198-199 of "Whispering In The Wind".

Earlier I was referring to human thoughts.  An example of human thought can be whatever you are thinking at the moment.

2.  On page 198 of "Whispering In The Wind", you wrote,

"...the application of NLP patterning to change work has as its objective nothing more than the manipulation of representations..."

and

"A systematic application of this set of verbal patterns leads to the identification of the FA events(the reference experiences)...that are the source of the representations to be changed to achieve the client's goals."

Representations that can be changed through application of verbal patterns are not what I was referring to when I wrote about a Science Of Representations. 

I don't like the idea of research directed toward eliciting or manipulating human representations by means other than interpersonal communication. 
I usually avoid some forms of commercial media.  I typically question research efforts that aim to improve influence by application of technology.  Even billboards bother me, because I think they're too manipulative.

An obvious application of a Science Of Representations would be to improve marketing efforts. 

I don't want my future research products to help people compel consumers to purchase consumer goods.

3.  You wrote,

"Could you offer an example to orient us?"

Are you now better oriented to what I meant when I wrote,

"The representations that you consider to be in the NLP research domain might be a logical type of representations that does not include human thoughts."?

I have my opinions; I might have already expressed them in this thread more than will serve me.  Thank you for your post.

-nj


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NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 14:30:52John Schertzer
     Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 17:01:13John Grinder
          Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 17:44:07John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 20:03:36Zhi Zhi Chien
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 20:37:22John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching22/04/2003 14:23:27John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching22/04/2003 18:36:29Robert
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 14:25:34John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 15:07:13Robert
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 18:12:16John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 11:42:55Robin Manuell
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 15:38:20John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 16:58:05Robin Manuell
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 17:30:32John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching24/04/2003 06:34:32John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 01:02:49nj
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 02:35:24kc
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 02:36:33Stephen
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 03:39:21nj
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 14:40:43John Schertzer
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 18:24:42nj
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 20:18:33John Schertzer
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 22:24:26nj
                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching28/04/2003 14:24:47John Schertzer
                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching29/04/2003 02:41:00nj
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching29/04/2003 14:35:42John Schertzer
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching29/04/2003 15:55:10John Schertzer
                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 01:45:06nj
                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 14:14:43John Schertzer
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 19:13:43John Grinder
                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 20:37:53John Schertzer
                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 22:29:33John Grinder
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                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching02/05/2003 18:16:57John Grinder
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching26/04/2003 03:22:28Stephen
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 16:20:42John Schertzer
     Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching17/04/2003 08:15:15Robert

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