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Topic: Applications: 1st and 2nd order change
Posted by: Todd Sloane
Date/Time: 06/11/2003 05:34:41

John or Carmen,

I am continuing to enjoy Whispering... Thanks again for this well-structured piece and for being available to answer our questions. I am on my third read and continue to appreciate the tight internal consistency with which it is written. Really cool! (Technical term)

Now for my question:

Do the partitions of presenting issues for clients that you identify as appropriate for 1st and 2nd order changes correspond to the concept of simultaneous and sequential incongruities respectively?

I note that there is no intensive definition of 1st order issues in whispering so they can't be identified directly. However, in looking at the examples you provide for 2nd order change contexts, this would appear to be the case (the simultaneous/sequential distinction I suggest here.)

If this is not the case, could you provide a bit of background as to how you developed these distinctions (1st and 2nd order change) and why these names? Do they relate to Bateson? (I am thinking about context markers being related to sequential incongruities) I would appreciate any comments you think might be relevant here.

Thanks again,

Todd Sloane

Entire Thread

TopicDate PostedPosted By
Applications: 1st and 2nd order change06/11/2003 05:34:41Todd Sloane
     Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change07/11/2003 19:10:56John Schertzer
          Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change08/11/2003 02:57:40Todd
     Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change16/11/2003 01:52:28Todd
          Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change17/11/2003 04:26:24Cloey Z
          Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change19/11/2003 22:18:41John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change26/11/2003 03:45:03Todd
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change26/11/2003 06:58:19John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Applications: 1st and 2nd order change02/12/2003 03:50:19Todd

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