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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP
Posted by: Todd
Date/Time: 06/11/2003 15:23:51

Hello again,

Here are some more thoughts on this stuff. I am enjoying the discussion...

regarding: "On 56 New Code is said to be based in design, though it is still unclear to me how the alphabet game was developed specifically from the parameters discovered in Classic NLP."

I think you've got your answer on the alphabet game and I too would encourage you to do a search on the web. The Tabb games were used in many contexts of language and other sensory type "problems" as well. It's rich with possibilities for NLP.
I think of new code as pure design in the sense that it answers the question, "What minimal set of variables are necessary to code the differences between excellence and non-excellence." It's like the "pattern that connects (patterns)" to use a metaphor. That's my personal take anyway. You'll have to check with the originators for source material.

regarding: "My questions about eye-accessing cues is actually sharpened in light of 55. All of the examples there involve modeling of geniuses, and the classification system seems to leave no room for another type of model. But eye-accessing seems to have come from simply intense observation of common behavior. So my question is whether this constitutes a third type of model."

My point would be, how do you define genius? This (eye-patterns and predicates) was based on modeling Self, Other (Grinder and Bandler) and then creating a context for discovering the difference between what works and what doesn't with regard to these distinction. The final set of geniuses being the group that G&B; tasked with using the patterns for "effective vs. ineffective communication" per the story in Whispering. There's your set of geniuses for a common function principle. (Hey, not everyone is Albert Einstein, right.)
I guess it depends on how you define genius, but I tend towards the more inclusive view as it gives me more opportunity to learn.

regarding: "Your idea of the 6-step reframe as self-modeling is intriguing, but the pattern seems to have simply been handed to Grinder by his unconscious explicitly (on the blackboard) rather than as the result of some sort of modeling process"

Two thoughts here. Firstly, why is this not "some sort of modeling process" as you put it, with the genius being self. Wow, imagine if our unconsious "simply handed over" new unique patterns based on the deep assimilation and integration of prior learnings on a regular basis. Whoa, wouldn't that be a bummer! ;-)

Second, and to me the really intriguing question is this. What modeling is NOT self-modeling? On a surface level, sure the source is "out there" in the world, but on a deep level...

What modeling is not self-modeling?

Again, really enjoying the dialogue here.

Bye for now,


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Modeling and NLP29/10/2003 01:17:07Ken
     Re:Modeling and NLP29/10/2003 02:00:50not
          Re:Re:Modeling and NLP04/11/2003 18:12:11John Grinder
               Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP04/11/2003 18:37:55Ken
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP05/11/2003 02:38:59Anyone
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP05/11/2003 18:13:28Ken
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP05/11/2003 20:42:30Pete West
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP05/11/2003 23:16:13Ken
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP06/11/2003 02:31:58Pete West
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP06/11/2003 15:23:51Todd
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP06/11/2003 22:44:30Ken
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP07/11/2003 15:20:49Pete West
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP07/11/2003 14:38:29Pete West
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP07/11/2003 22:21:02nj
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP08/11/2003 22:11:04Todd
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP09/11/2003 11:47:01Pete West
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP12/11/2003 02:31:59Todd
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP20/11/2003 10:52:04Pete West
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP08/11/2003 22:53:26John Grinder
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP09/11/2003 18:02:02Ken Watts
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP09/11/2003 19:47:19Macy Kirkpatrick
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Modeling and NLP12/11/2003 10:23:11wc

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