| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Proposal for Refinement of distinction between modeling and applications |
| Posted by: | Patrick E.C. Merlevede, MSc. (jobEQ.com) |
| Date/Time: | 07/01/2003 05:18:05 |
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To ernest: I don't know if it's appropriate "within the scope of this website" for me to answer the question. I propose an answer and suggest we ask for Carmen & John's feedback. You wrote: "I find the toughest assignment for me in pacing and modeling someone is to stay on track consciously as I am always adding internally my uncalculated dialogue" From Carmen & John's "Advanced pattern Detection Seminar" I attended in 1997, I remember that John recommended to suspend the internal dialogue. John said that he had learned to do so as a consequence of designing the meta-model - when you keep asking that kind of questions, firing them automatically days in a row, living without intenal dialogue becomes easier. For us, mere mortals, the functional equivalent may be the "state of not knowing" - when I model without the need to know, trying to imitate the model (2nd position modeling), no internal dialogie gets in my way. I think John Grinder gave some advice on this in "Whispering", but I cannot find it back. That's why his help is needed to get further. Patrick Patrick |