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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching
Posted by: John Schertzer
Date/Time: 25/04/2003 14:40:43

nj,
I think you've got it backwards.  First of all I was talking about something like a science of representations as related to art, though something distinct from it.  It would be more related to science and philosophy, since those fields might benefit from a higher logical level understanding of their own representations.  In fact there is a "philosophy of science" which attempts to handle this area already.

And I don't think artists need worry anyway.  There are countless manifestos and aesthetic doctrines floating around, and the role they tend to play, more than any other, is as a position to react against.  There always has been a bit of the paranoia you've mentioned, and lit critic, Harold Bloom, has even dedicated his career to exploring this effect, mainly from a Freudian perspective.  If anything, what artists do, an artist of quality that is, is offer up representations, or possibilities of representation, that hadn't been imagined previously.  They lead the codification process, and continually disrupt it.  One might say, for instance, that Impressionism was a necessary precursor to the flowering of atomic physics, though impressionist painters were mainly concerned with exploiting new knowledge about the rods and cones in the eye, and reacting to the development of photography.

The point is, there is no possible way to codify any kind of knowledge that would censure the imaginations of people who will imagine things differently.

And centrally I was talking about the possibility of NLP applications being useful in this open-ended process, as an alternative to thinking of NLP as specifically a coaching or therapeutic tool.  Note: reading comprehension is a good skill to develop.

Lastly, no artist worth her salt is determined by a desire to express herself.  Self-expression is the seed of bad art.  John Cage's dictum is that art is for changing oneself, not for expressing oneself.  And I'll add to that: self-exploration.

best,
JS


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NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 14:30:52John Schertzer
     Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 17:01:13John Grinder
          Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 17:44:07John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 20:03:36Zhi Zhi Chien
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching16/04/2003 20:37:22John Schertzer
               Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching22/04/2003 14:23:27John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching22/04/2003 18:36:29Robert
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 14:25:34John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 15:07:13Robert
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 18:12:16John Schertzer
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 11:42:55Robin Manuell
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 15:38:20John Schertzer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 16:58:05Robin Manuell
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching23/04/2003 17:30:32John Schertzer
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching24/04/2003 06:34:32John Grinder
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 01:02:49nj
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                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 02:36:33Stephen
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 03:39:21nj
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 14:40:43John Schertzer
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 18:24:42nj
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                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching29/04/2003 14:35:42John Schertzer
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching29/04/2003 15:55:10John Schertzer
                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching30/04/2003 01:45:06nj
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching26/04/2003 03:22:28Stephen
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:NLP Changework vs. Therapy and Coaching25/04/2003 16:20:42John Schertzer
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